BHPC Website Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Public: Open to anyone > Racing > BHPC Events
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 2022 Round 3 - Lancaster. Sunday 22nd May
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Starting a new topic? Please try and put it in a relevant forum (Riding, Building, etc) but if you're not sure it's better to post in any forum than not to post at all.


2022 Round 3 - Lancaster. Sunday 22nd May

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 4567>
Author
Message
Kim View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 13 April 2018
Location: Middle Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 1021
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2022 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by NigelSlee NigelSlee wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:

The BHPC treatment of DNFs was introduced to make sure people at least got something out of the day if they had a mechanical, rather than the 'traditional' approach of treating it as if you had never turned up. The same argument goes for giving points to all places, rather than ('traditionally') just the top 10. It takes much more cost and effort to attend BHPC than a local road race and these 'innovations' are there to recognise that.

Sorry to have created all this extra work for Kim and the team. I had assumed I'd get no score for the race so pleasantly surprised to still get some points. Yet another example of why this club is so special.

None of this is your fault.  We've been incrementally refining our timing/scoring workflow for a while now, and - in the absence of a vast repository of interesting BHPC results in the appropriate format - it's inevitable that edge cases will need to be dealt with as they arise.  That I'd misinterpreted what the old code was doing with DNFs was bound to come to light eventually.

In the interests of clarity, I think I need to write some better documentation on how the scoring process is *supposed* to work, rather than instructions for driving the software.




Back to Top
legs_larry View Drop Down
BHPC Member
BHPC Member
Avatar

Joined: 09 March 2005
Location: London Town Devine
Status: Offline
Points: 1475
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote legs_larry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2022 at 12:03am
Poking around in the archives on TowersNet shews a pile of Excel spreadsheets containing the race results from 1999 to 2006. These are “interesting” in the same way as snooker's Steve “Interesting” Davis. There’s also a folder called “Access” but I clearly lost the will to live before getting very far with that.
====================

a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
Back to Top
Kim View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 13 April 2018
Location: Middle Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 1021
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2022 at 10:57pm
Okay, I've done a bit more work on the merge-o-matic, and it now has a configurable option for what to do with DNFs.  It can either:

- Keep them as DNFs and let SeriesMgr deal with them
- Give them an arbitrary finish time in minutes
- Give them their race's leader's finish time
- Give them their race's last finisher's finish time
- Give them the overall winner's finish time
- Give them the overall last finisher's finish time

Hopefully that covers all the likely options :)

Does Chris's post above count as an official CompSec ruling on how we should be dealing with this going forward (ie. overall last finisher's time)?  If so, I'll recalculate the season's points and stick some explanatory wording on the website.




Edited by Kim - 26 May 2022 at 10:58pm
Back to Top
AlanGoodman View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar
Club Chairman

Joined: 04 March 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 7809
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AlanGoodman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2022 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by Kim Kim wrote:

Does Chris's post above count as an official CompSec ruling on how we should be dealing with this going forward (ie. overall last finisher's time)?  If so, I'll recalculate the season's points and stick some explanatory wording on the website.


Yep!
I’d say go with that.
Many thanks Kim!

Back to Top
ChrisH View Drop Down
Committee
Committee
Avatar

Joined: 22 August 2009
Location: South norfolk
Status: Offline
Points: 726
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChrisH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2022 at 11:28pm
...and rather than a CompSec’s ruling we could call it a compsec’s interim solution, then we can always review and revise it at AGM if it turns out to be too flawed and/or unpopular by then......
Back to Top
ChrisH View Drop Down
Committee
Committee
Avatar

Joined: 22 August 2009
Location: South norfolk
Status: Offline
Points: 726
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChrisH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2022 at 11:32pm
...now we just need a few volunteers with bikes only capable of 30mins +0 laps to put it to the test.......
Back to Top
Kim View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 13 April 2018
Location: Middle Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 1021
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2022 at 12:59am
Originally posted by ChrisH ChrisH wrote:

...now we just need a few volunteers with bikes only capable of 30mins +0 laps to put it to the test.......

If we had enough of those, the race timing would be a lot less complicated :)
Back to Top
Kim View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 13 April 2018
Location: Middle Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 1021
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2022 at 1:07am
Originally posted by legs_larry legs_larry wrote:

Poking around in the archives on TowersNet shews a pile of Excel spreadsheets containing the race results from 1999 to 2006. These are “interesting” in the same way as snooker's Steve “Interesting” Davis. There’s also a folder called “Access” but I clearly lost the will to live before getting very far with that.

In this case 'appropriate format' was doing a fair bit of heavy lifting, which would be from whenever it was that I worked out how to incorporate the BHPC classes in the who's-in-the-race spreadsheet in a format that CrossMgr can understand (all that CustomCategory stuff you see in the results).  Some point in the latter half of 2019, I think.

Otherwise you'd have to write something to re-mangle the data, which would be somewhere on my to-do list a long way below "set up functional build environment for the CrossMgr source", "discover a 559 tubless rim that actually works" and "training".


Edited by Kim - 27 May 2022 at 1:11am
Back to Top
legs_larry View Drop Down
BHPC Member
BHPC Member
Avatar

Joined: 09 March 2005
Location: London Town Devine
Status: Offline
Points: 1475
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote legs_larry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:40am
Wot, no “learn Portugeuse”?

Standards are slipping…
====================

a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
Back to Top
Kim View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 13 April 2018
Location: Middle Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 1021
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2022 at 12:38pm
Okay, I've re-merged all the previous the results using the overall last finisher's time for DNFs and updated the points tables for the 2022 season.

Espero que isso não tenha quebrado nada de novo...


Edited by Kim - 27 May 2022 at 12:38pm
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 4567>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.02
Copyright ©2001-2015 Web Wiz Ltd.