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2025 Event 8: Darley Moor - Sunday 24th August

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    Posted: 03 April 2025 at 5:39pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrew S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2025 at 5:11pm
Please note that racing on Sunday will now start at 11:00am, slightly earlier than previously advertised, to allow a slightly less hectic schedule. The provisional race programme is now:

Meet & Greet: 10:00
Track access: 10:30-16:00
Racing starts: 11:00

Race 1: 11:00 – 5-lap race, slower riders, clockwise
Race 2: 11:45 – 5-lap race, faster riders, clockwise
Race 3: 12:15 – 5-lap race, slower riders, clockwise
Race 4: 13:00 – 5-lap race, faster riders, clockwise
Race 5: 13:30 – 5-lap race, slower riders, antiCW
Race 6: 14:15 – 5-lap race, faster riders, antiCW
Race 7: 14:45 – 5-lap race, slower riders, antiCW
Race 8: 15:30 – 5-lap race, faster riders, antiCW

The cafe will be open from 9:00am to serve breakfast. It usually closes around 3:00pm.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2025 at 9:26pm
Your timing team has overheated and is not responding.  Normal results service will be resumed when we're sufficiently rested to be able to pick through video clips, perform basic arithmetic, decode our contemporaneous scribbles and indeed operate a jam-filled Babbage engine without adult supervision...

There's also a disproportionate amount of data that needs fixing, due to various issues with people's timing tags that we didn't have time to resolve during the hectic racing schedule.

(I should add that the lack of live results was due to my phone's inability to maintain a usable cellular connection.)


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Kim, Natalya. Huge thanks to the amazing TimeTeam as always. Hope you're slowly returned to normal operating temperatures...

Thought you'd like to to see the note from Ian Fards on FB:

Massive massive massive thanks to Natalya and Kim for this weekend at Darley Moor.
Without them you'd not have a race that was anywhere near as smooth and efficient, ** yet rarely do they get a thanks.
And that's not mentioning the people who didn't have tags on, so will have their lap times manually added for every single lap of the 3 hour, because Natalya will have to go through the entire video for your benefit.
Some of us remember the times when we manually tallied a rider or two every lap, with stop watches hanging off every limb to ensure we had some degree of accuracy.
If anyone (other than those two, sorry about the amount of work I've caused by short races, did I grovel enough?) has *any* complaints about the weekend, please ensure you organise a race, so you can appreciate the volume of work that goes into them, before you start complaining.
Whoever booked the weather, can you get warm, breezy and sunny next time? Was verrry nice, thankuverymuch..
**Possibly not have a race at all.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2025 at 4:23pm
And Sunday's results - including that all-important photo finish - are now up at https://www.bhpc.org.uk/events/2025-races/

Will start work on Monday's in a bit...
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Thanks for posting that on Russell. I really appreciate that from Ian Eff. 

I think sometimes Kim and I are too nice and need to be firmer about where something is going to be genuinely very challenging for the time team. I know IanEff and I and various others all independently agreed 8x races (4x for each speed) was too much and 6x total (3 for each group) would have been easier all round with space for tag-bashing, faffing, mechanicals on start line and so on. 

I had a good chat with a few folk this weekend including Nigel about things we can do easily to improve experience for attenders (managing expectations if nothing else) as well as encourage more people to volunteer to make a day of races happen so it's not always the committee or the same few people but more people see what it's like from the other side of the track and perhaps we get different ideas tried and more recognition of how much work it is. 

I was thinking some guidelines for "race coordinators" which include:
* Basic MUSTS including timing limitations, safety etc
* Some ideas of what race formats e.g. criteriums, fixed-laps, time-trials and sprints etc that coordinators could choose and their pros/cons based on type of track and type of cycles etc. 
* Things that coordinators should consider - again track and rider types, variation/inclusivity, timing considerations and so on. 
* Things that we could seek on-the-day volunteers to do like helping people count laps, marshal dodgy horseists etc. 
* Info that needs to be said for each type of race at the start e.g. flags/bells or no-flags/bells (and why). 
* Compile a list of people willing to mentor/support a new race-coordinator-volunteer and their comms spaces e.g. phone/video/email/Facebook/here/RFC1149 etc. 

I figure if I start writing something it gets past the 'starting initiation issue' and then once I have a draft, I can open it up for comments and make it something the community feels we own AND the committee are obviously happy with.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yanto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2025 at 7:56pm
I'll echo that this is an unforgiving task and we're all indebted to Kim and Natalya. I don't think there is a magic bullet for formats and organisers coming forward. As Ian F says, the set up now is a world apart from the old days of manual lap counting and timing.

Thank you both. 

Unfortunately I do have one question regarding my points - I haven't been awarded any Cry, in the grand scheme it isn't important for me but could affect others vying for a trophy.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2025 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

Unfortunately I do have one question regarding my points - I haven't been awarded any Cry, in the grand scheme it isn't important for me but could affect others vying for a trophy.


Is this because "Yanto" = "Ian Perry" = "Ian" by any chance?

If so, I'll create an alias.

SeriesMgr identifies riders by name and license(sic) - which in our case we have not got - because it's assumed that race numbers may change between events.  Which means variations in spelling end up as different people in the points table until I notice and create an alias.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yanto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2025 at 7:40am
Yes all the same, I initially used just Ian when I signed on for York and Hull, but put my full name when I signed on for Darley Moor, and Yanto is an old nick name that has been used here since I joined the club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrew S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2025 at 9:02am
Originally posted by NatalyaD NatalyaD wrote:


I figure if I start writing something it gets past the 'starting initiation issue' and then once I have a draft, I can open it up for comments and make it something the community feels we own AND the committee are obviously happy with.

This sounds like an ideal case for AI - "Hey Google - Write a complete guide to running a BHPC race". They're always telling us how good ChatGPT is these days LOL.

Seriously, this sounds like a very good idea. Kim has put up several very good guides on the website about racing from the punter's perspective so there is a ready-made home for an organiser's/co-ordinator's guide.


Edited by Andrew S - 02 September 2025 at 9:02am
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