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    Posted: 25 August 2008 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

With the AGM being not that far away, I predict just a few more posts on the subject of classes will be along soon...

Thinking logically,

Q) Do we want (a) "sexed" classes, or (b) everything unisex. Discuss M/F physiology and "fairness".

Are we aiming for equality, or should we stick with a pragmatic mess we have now? Sorry to call it a mess, but it is confusing to some and doesn't look equal. What's to worry about unfeasibly small (sic) classes? If we want sexed classes, splitting everything down the middle is more logical than current system.
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There is nothing to stop male and female racing together but I think there should be distinct male and female classes for results, that way will be more likely to attract people to the race series.
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The current proliferation of classes certainly needs addressing. HPV racing is supposed to be about the capabilities of the machines used, as well as athletic ability. That suggests that all machines (with the possible exception of arm-powered ones) should compete on an equal footing.

In order to start with a clean slate I suggest that, for one season at least, we have only person classes (i.e. Men, Women and Juniors), but (crucially) that we also have a Handicap class, which will allow everybody a chance of winning something. A scheme already exists for running a Handicap class with a minimum of effort - in fact, I'll volunteer to run it myself if need be.

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I think we have too many classes, but just having an open class for the three categories is too few.

For bikes there could be perhaps 2 or 3 classes.

1) Streamliner  (including bagged front and rear fairings)
2) Everything else

OR

1) Streamliner  (including bagged front and rear fairings)
2) Bikes with any combination of unbagged front and/or rear fairing
3) Unfaired

Classes sorted as to male, female and junior.  If there is only 1 competitor then that person wins the class.

Similar classes could be used for multitrack with fully faired velomobiles going into the streamliner class.

Arm-powered seems to take care of itself
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Due to the small number of faired multitrack riders (basically just myself and a few pedalcars) the velomobile class could possibly be scrapped.
I personally feel the street class is also underused and also complicated. I feel it should be scrapped too. Maybe replace it with a SuperStreet class like the US guys or leave it out.

I won't mention the sports class.

Edited by LeeW - 25 August 2008 at 4:11pm
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I make that at least 10 classes, Paul... Unhappy

...hence my modest proposal simply to do away with machine-based classes, for one season at least. I bet no other scheme will be so refreshingly simple, nor provide everybody with a pot to aim for.
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I will have something to say about the classes at the agm - will post it here before, once I've worked it out.
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Young BinBag has just started cycling, took him about an hour before he was steady. Already he wants to race, but he is six.
 
What can BHPC offer someone of his age? In keeping with DF racing we should be limiting inch gears should age groups can ride with.
 
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BinBag?
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Originally posted by LeeW LeeW wrote:



I won't mention the sports class.
 
Just to put my side of things the existence of the sports class helped me see a way into the sport last year as a "newbie" and kept my interest for the year, admitedly I am now looking to move on but I think we need a class of less able / more beginner freindly / less scary to learn to ride machines that can encourage new people to come and have a go using a cheap second hand production machine.
 
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