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    Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:32am

Some of you may have read, in the latest BHPC magazine, my proposal for us to introduce a 'Street Class' into our racing series, to encourage the development of practical HPVs. I have no desire to mount a one-man campaign on this issue but if there is significant support for the idea then I will put it forward at the AGM. Do any of you think it's a good idea? The minutiae of the rules area open to discussion, of course. Please bear in mind that the deadline for AGM proposals is this Saturday(!).

I notice that Neil Carter is proposing a Faired Multitrack Class. I haven't heard your full proposal Neil, so apologies if I am misinterpreting it, but the club has not had a Faired-anything Class for many years - we have overall classes, so in the interests of logical consistency you should be proposing overall multitrack and unfaired multitrack classes. As in the overall overall class, this means that the fastest multitrack, faired or unfaired, would win the class (it's worth noting that on Sunday this would have been Lee W, who was unfaired). This seems only fair as, even when I'm riding the streamliner, unfaired riders sometimes beat me and I don't get points for being faired. The same principal could perhaps apply to Sports Class and Street Class (Street Class being overall street-practical and Sports Class unfaired street-practical). If you make the changes to your proposal along these lines, Neil then I, for one, would be happy to support it. It would be nice to see faired Windcheetahs and Davies trikes return to the tracks, as presumably they are presently languishing unused.

I have serious reservations about Mike B's 'Naked Class'. The principal of minimum effort suggests that more people won't even bother with tail-fairings, let alone full fairings, if this class was introduced and it seems ridiculous that we should be effectively discouraging people from fitting streamlining (perhaps we should have a Running Class for people who can't be a#sed to turn up with a bicycle ).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:06am
Does "street class" therefore replace "sports class"?
 
Yes, "Overall Multitrack" is a better description.
 
I have no axe to grind here because the pedal car racing calendar means that no other races are practical or beneficial for me this year but I did enjoy Sunday and it was the best way of getting a recumbent work out before the 24 hour in a few weeks.
 
Either way, the rules need to be written down and adhered to.
At present it seems they are very much open to interpretation.
 
Lee shouldn't have to be asking for opinions on his tail fairing for example, the rules must be clear enough for it to be obvious. Likewise the disked wheel thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:14am
There you go, bringing class into it again!

(Peers nervously around for Python Police)

Geoff's proposal sounds like fun, as I could bring the Speedmachine out of retirement and win things :)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:36am
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

it's worth noting that on Sunday this would have been Lee W, who was unfaired


Rob hague was faster than me on sunday.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:43am
I actually decided not to make a proposal for a variety of reasons, not least the fact that I wont be at the AGM.
 
The proposal however would have been for an Open Class for Multitracks, pretty much for all the reasons you have outlined. Not least that having an unfaired multitrack class on its own makes no sense, discourages inovation and leads to the situation where multitracks suddenly become non multitrack when raced in an organisation created largely as a reaction to the restrictive rules of the UCI.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:46am
jes@gcre wrote: "Does "street class" therefore replace "sports class"?"
 
GeoffBird wrote: "The same principal could perhaps apply to Sports Class and Street Class (Street Class being overall street-practical and Sports Class unfaired street-practical)."
 
Jes wrote: "Either way, the rules need to be written down and adhered to.
At present it seems they are very much open to interpretation."
 
Agreed, athough it wouldn't be in the nature of the club to get too Nazi about it.
 
LeeW wrote: "Rob hague was faster than me on sunday."
 
Apologies to Rob, you are quite right - good effort from both of you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:59am
Neil wrote "...Not least that having an unfaired multitrack class on its own makes no sense, discourages inovation and leads to the situation where multitracks suddenly become non multitrack when raced in an organisation created largely as a reaction to the restrictive rules of the UCI."
 
If you feel that way then why not make the proposal? I'd be happy to read out a statement on your behalf, Neil. Don't really understand "...when raced in an organisation created largely as a reaction to the restrictive rules of the UCI." Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 11:35am
The way I read it was that Street would be Sports Class but with front and rear farings permitted. I think this is an excellent idea, as Street class would represent the fastest streetable HPVs - there are several people running partially faired machines but being forced into Open, which is clearly not 'fair'.

I for one will stick to sports class - it's much easier to transport the bike without fairings on each end.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:15pm

Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

...we have overall classes...

 

Er, do we? If, for example, you put a front fairing on a Kingcycle, it takes you from Sports to Open (that's the main reason I haven't got a front fairing). If you put a front fairing on a Ratracer, it moves from Unfaired to Open. Unless you are a Lady or a Junior, in which case you and your machine stay put whatever you do to it.

 

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the only logical classes are person rather than machine-based. We have these to some extent, in that all Ladies compete against other Ladies regardless of what they ride, all Juniors against other Juniors, and so on... maybe all Veterans against other Veterans, one day?

 

The only meaningful machine-based distinction I can see is between machines which are usable on the public highway, and those which are not; but as has been pointed out before, the distinction is hard to draw (one person's "road-practical" being another's "downright terrifying", even if the machine meets the requirements of the law), and so forms a questionable basis for class division.

 

Surely creativity is stifled by having any machine-based classes, because there is no point in innovating beyond the confines of the class you find your machine in... whereas a rider-based system would tend to advance the breed more rapidly by fostering a technological free-for-all?

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:22pm
NickM wrote: "Er, do we? If, for example, you put a front fairing on a Kingcycle, it takes you from Sports to Open (that's the main reason I haven't got a front fairing)."
 
That's the whole point of the Street Class!
 
NickM wrote: "Surely creativity is stifled by having any machine-based classes, because there is no point in innovating beyond the confines of the class you find your machine in... whereas a rider-based system would tend to advance the breed more rapidly by fostering a technological free-for-all?"
 
You've obviously not read my article, Nick...
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