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Yanto63
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Topic: racing safety Posted: 13 July 2009 at 7:43am |
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After an enjoyable weekend of racing I have to say that i came close to running into people due to their lack of attention, and being unaware of somebody (me) closing on them faster than they realise. This lack of attention was cauised by having Ipoddy things plugged into their ears and not being able to hear my shouts.
Whilst this does not apply to everybody who's (plugged in) i think as a general rule thay should not be allowed. I'm not a killjoy, i have one too but i never wear it when i am riding - even on a boring commute to work.
Rant over!!!
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AlanGoodman
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 8:50am |
I haven't noticed this myself (probably because I'm too slow to be passing people...) but I have to agree if it's becoming a safety issue we should address it.
I wasn't at Lancaster/Preston - Has anybody else noticed an increase in the use of iPODs etc?
You need to be aware of what's going on around you and hear calls from riders behind and marshalls etc.
FWIW in the last Pedal Car race (where there is far more calling out to warn slower riders that you're approaching) at least one driver was pulled up by a marshall and told to remove his iPOD.
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NickM
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:12am |
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Yes, I think Yanto has a point - using an Ipod while riding solo is an individual choice, but where the safety of others is involved, as during a race, I do not think their use is appropriate.
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GeoffBird
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:26am |
Fiona was using one - I'll raise the issue with her. It probably didn't help that, in an effort to keep the multitracks in the same race and based on previous performances, we put Ian in the slower race. I think next time you'll be with the fast boys (and me) Ian!  Preston is probably the most problematic track, in terms of people getting in each other's way, because of the corner combinations. I take great care not to block people and still don't always spot a streamliner bearing down on me. It is however everyone's right to hold a sensible line through corners and the ultimate responsibility lies with the faster bike to pass safely, but I agree with Ian that anything that can be done to make this safer and easier should be pursued.
Edited by GeoffBird - 13 July 2009 at 9:27am
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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed
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Yanto63
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:55am |
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Err cheers Geoff - i look forward to being last! Is that progress???? PS don't tell Fiona that i brought the issue of "music whilst you race" up - I am but a mere mortal man and fear all things Fionish!!!
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GeoffBird
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:59am |
You won't be last if you go as fast as you did on Sunday, but I promise not to tell Fiona it was you if you let me beat you in the next race.
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graydog
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 11:52am |
ok so I was LAST on sunday!!!
err no second to last 
Racing line is always a hard one, and you should hold your line not anticipating what others may or may not do as this can be more dangerous.
I dropped a brick on Mike and the crew (sorry ) when I slipped wide on a corner, but by the same token coming under side one side shouting right, right, right etc as your heeling on to the corner is going to make you run wide.
We can all make mistakes, using ipods to tap out rhythm, is help full perhaps a mid position could be set such as one ear only not using bud type phones.
I rather like the idea of a GBird style bent with a speaker system blasting out mega death or slayer etc 
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Adrian Setter
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 1:54pm |
The use of earphones on the road can be a contentious question, too. Several people over the years - mostly car-drivers of the same breed that who fail to see the irony in their complaints about cyclists being "unsafe" because of not wearing helmets - have complained to me about how "dangerous" cycling with earphones is. My stock response is that these people can hear as much as a driver can, with windows closed and a radio on, so should car radios be banned? Should deaf people not be allowed to drive, or cycle? Personally, I never ride with earphones. This is partly because I wouldn't want to be unable to hear the clues to the dangerous manoeuvre that some driver is about to subject me to, and partly because I cycle to empty my head of everything but the cycling.
My own feelings about earphones on the track are similar: I wouldn't use them myself, and don't really understand why anyone would want to. I would discourage others from using them, but should they be banned as dangerous? I understand streamliner pilots can hear nothing from outside, above the roar of the vibrating fairing; in fact, I wonder that they don't protect their hearing with ear plugs!
If it's a question of riders knowing what's happening behind then compulsory mirrors would be a more logical solution (I believe the Americans have rules on this). Someone can propose a rule to that effect, if they want to, but it won't be me as I don't want to make additional barriers to discourage new racers, nor extra rules to police, though I'd encourage everyone racing to use a mirror, both for safety and competitive advantage.
If it's about erratic behaviour on the track, we usually find a quiet word about taking a predictable line and keeping to the inside of the track, if a slower rider, effective. (Though, as Geoff points out, the latter is not quite so easy where there are combinations of bends.) I'd prefer that approach above a thickening rule-book.
As someone accustomed both to lapping and to being lapped, I no longer call out to riders I'm about to pass. If I don't call, I'm pretty sure where they're going to be in 2, 3, 5 seconds' time. If I do call, I can never be sure what's going to happen next. It's all too easy for a rider unversed in the conventions to mistake a warning that he's about to be passed on the right for a request that he moves right, or simply to be startled into a swerve.
Edited by Adrian Setter - 13 July 2009 at 1:56pm
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jes@gcre
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 2:01pm |
AlanGoodman wrote:
FWIW in the last Pedal Car race (where there is far more calling out to warn slower riders that you're approaching) at least one driver was pulled up by a marshall and told to remove his iPOD. |
Yep, it's in the rules:
9.2. Distractions from Driving
a) All devices that may cause driver distraction are banned. These include any use of musical devices (e.g. MP3 players or radios) and mobile telephones.
Like many rules, it sprang out of necessity because a certain driver or team were going very slowly, driving in the centre of the road and totally oblivious to the others on the track with an ipod plugged into both ears.
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Racing is life...
Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race....
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Yanto63
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Posted: 13 July 2009 at 2:49pm |
Adrian Setter wrote:
Should deaf people not be allowed to drive, or cycle?
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I am actually fairly deaf and wear aids most of the time - but I can't wear them when riding as the wind noise is unbearable! As a result when riding I try to compensate by being more observant using the mirror all the time and constantly looking over my shoulders to check what is coming, before i move position - this did not happening with one (junior??).
The incident i am referring to involved a rider suddenly moving off the racing line onto it whilst i was about to overtake, she didn't hear me shout, and i had to slam the brakes on to the point of locking one wheel up - if i had been on a bike i would have Lee'd it big style, as it was i was able to pass her on the outside, by a couple of inches.. Luckily the result was a little flat spot on a tyre and me nearly c****ing in my shorts.......I really dread to think what would have happened if i had run into her, as my combined 17stones of blubber and trike hitting a young person even at a closing speed of only 15mph i fear she would have come off worse.
Maybe this is an educational matter rather than a "rule book" one. It should be emphasised at the beginning of a race that looking behind before manouvering is a must, and if you can't turn your head then mirror(s) should be used.
Apart from that one incident all was marvellous - but it only takes one incident to turn a great day out into a bad one...!!!
I still don't think that listening to music when racing is condusive to paying attention........
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