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Topic: Hog Hill
Posted By: Yowie
Subject: Hog Hill
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 6:24pm
This might work, or it might not...  http://tinyurl.com/5qscaj - Hog Hill .kml file (Google Earth) |
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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 8:49pm
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Works, and looks like it has potential. |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:56am
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I am not up to speed on this venue, is it sort of Eastway and when is iit opening? Looks like there are a couple of decent pedal car type tracks there as well though. ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 2:04pm
It appears already to be open, as a chap in another forum wot I frequent has had the dubious pleasure of testing the track's adhesion and found that, at the hairpin, it's 26.5 mph (Vittoria Diamante at 110 psi). ------------- ==================== a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds |
jes@gcre wrote:Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 6:14pm
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I wonder what the Quest speed around the hairpin would be? if it is anything like shrewsbury then 14mph. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:36pm
Excellent! If the lowest, tighest corner of the indy circuit is much the same, that could be a huge amount of fun in a pedalcar! ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 14 July 2008 at 8:59pm
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I am having some trouble getting to Hog Hill, I can get there at 12:00 earliest. I read that the AGM has in the past been held before the racing, could this be considered for this year too? |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 15 July 2008 at 7:20am
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We're still trying to get a room sorted out for the AGM at the moment...
It's unusual for our races to get going before 11:30 so I guess as long as you are in Race 2 (or 3) you should be fine...
We did talk about doing the AGM before racing last year but we were worried that most people would be too busy getting their bikes ready and warming up etc... ------------- |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 21 August 2008 at 2:51pm
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Are we using the full circuit when we race in September? ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 21 August 2008 at 6:24pm
| I certainly hope so - it opened officially on 20/8/08. |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 21 August 2008 at 8:37pm
| theres a piece on bikebiz about the opening ceremony, bowis cut the ribbon, jokes about the funding next might be bit obvious ;) |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 22 August 2008 at 9:16pm
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[CTC Newsnet] Boris at Hog Hill Boris Johnson officially opened Redbridge Cycling Centre in East London on Tuesday. The London Mayor congratulated Ian Warby, CTC’s http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4471 - Senior Off-Road Development Officer for his role as the designer and project manager of the off road track. Boris said Ian and the team from Trailworks had done a “fantastic job”. The Mayor also got on his bike and cycled round the track with some children. Click http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8458628311955542751&ei=Y92rSOHFM4KSigKGhIUK&q=Cycling&vt=lf&hl=en - here to watch a video of Boris in action. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 24 August 2008 at 2:48pm
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Really looking forward to this, any idea what the downhill is like, I'm about to order a 58t chainring and a 11-26 cassette to replace my current 53x12 top gear which I was maxing out at a few points at the worlds, mainly in the crit on the downhill there.
At 110rpm my max speed will go from ~34.3 mph to ~41.7 mph I've just bought 10 meters of sign making vinyl, in red, blue, yellow and green. What I have done with it though I may leave as a surprise for hog hill. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 26 August 2008 at 11:03am
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I have heard that it's lumpier than Eastway (and also that the never-exceed speed through the hairpin is 26.5 mph).
------------- ==================== a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 26 August 2008 at 9:46pm
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Hairpin after a downhill straight apparently. Preceeded by some sort of heavy grinding hill. Yeah! |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 26 August 2008 at 10:37pm
on 2 wheels....  |
Posted By: stuart@bikefix
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 3:22pm
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I have ridden Hog Hill! Its steep, its fast and its very exciting. The fully faired bikes are going to hate it. ------------- Stuart http://www.bikefix.co.uk" rel="nofollow - www.bikefix.co.uk |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 10:28pm
HE HE HE HE HE  |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 11:21pm
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Stuart wrote: "The fully faired bikes are going to hate it"
I bet you one of them still wins though... ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 9:49am
It has ocasionally been the case that unfaired bikes have won outright at Eastway; Neil and Young Master Robert to name but two. It just depends on who isn't there... ------------- ==================== a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:15pm
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I wonder how good it would be for riding fully faired Multitrack? I wonder how it compares with shrewsburry (which is pritty awful when riding faired multitrack). ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:32pm
depends on the type of faired multitrack
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Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:45pm
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I agree with Lee, the lack of challenging corners makes Shrewsbury not really the best place for a faired Multitrack to show it's true potential. ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 8:48pm
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Legs_Larry wrote: "It has ocasionally been the case that unfaired bikes have won outright at Eastway; Neil and Young Master Robert to name but two. It just depends on who isn't there..."
I remember when Neil won - it's the closest I came to winning a race. Slash punctured and I was the only streamliner left - unfortunately I miss-counted the numerous red Ratracers and didn't realise there was still one ahead of me. If I had realised, I probably would have caught him - yes, even me!
I also seem to recall that at Kimbolton (a very twisty Kart circuit), although Young Master English won on an unfaired bike (that doesn't count!), Tim came second in a 60lb, bagged Kingcycle 'Wasp'.
PS: I recalled correctly about Kimbolton - just checked the results - Tim was on the same lap as Rob (although I think Rob fell off at the top corner) and a bloke called Larrington. Ian decided to ride Equus without the lid - big mistake: He came 5th. ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:46pm
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Quote Stuart: "Its steep, its fast and its very exciting. The fully faired bikes are going to hate it. "
You wouldn't want to put a bet on that?!!! ;O) Twed ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:02pm
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Just wondering why fully faired will hate it? With a SWB fully faired bike, you can go around corners just as fast as an unfaired bike, or can you? I actually find I'm going around corners faster faired than unfaired due to there being less chance of loosing skin if I lost it. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:19pm
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I'm mostly with you, Lee. My observations from outside a streamliner have always been that their riders corner at least as fast, and usually faster, than us unenclosed types. I've put it down to an equation of them having more to gain and less to lose. I guess that hilly or twisty circuits will be harder work because you'll be accelerating - to higher speeds than unfaired riders - away from the slower bits, rather than maintaining speed. A young, fit rider in a fairly lightweight streamliner might not think that was as much of a problem as others would, eh Lee? ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:52pm
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I can't wait for the hill but am not so sure about the decent. The new bike is only 11.5 kg. It has just got its retractable landing gear. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:14pm
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Talking of Hog Hill - i.e. the next race - would someone like to volunteer to organise it. We have all the stuff (as usual), except the new bell which Nick has, and will bring it along together with a computer. If you don't know how to use the software we can show you and help if necessary.
Note: we have the track from 12noon to 5pm and the club room for the AGM from 4pm to 6pm
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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:10pm
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Sadly I cannot come now as it clashes with the international velomobile meeting, sorry. Will have to wait until hillingdon to see if I can stay infront of Ian C. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 8:43am
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Organise a race on an unfamiliar track? Sounds like a job for muggins!
Unless anyone else wants to do it, I'll do this one - as long as I can get a volunteer to run the fast race.
Anyone know if we can sub-let the track between 4pm and 5pm?
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Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 2:49pm
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I have just read the new cycling + which has a right up on the new Redbridge (Hog Hill) curcuit. The hill is 10%. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: Mad Hatter
Date Posted: 13 September 2008 at 4:17pm
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According to Cycling+ the track is booked 9am - 1pm by Ciclos Uno. ------------- 2eme place veteran femme - Championnats du monde de velos couches Allegre 2006 |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 13 September 2008 at 5:47pm
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I was told that they were there 9-12 but I will check next week
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:41am
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Can someone confirm that we are going to race Redbridge the normal way, going up the 10% climb as after a couple of tests it will determin which bike I bring. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:18pm
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Which way would the new toy prefer?
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:04pm
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I think that I will be cycling up to this event on my training bike so I don't mind as it has a small botom gear. But Mike B says that he thinks some race bikes might not make it up a 10% climb. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:19pm
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My race bike, see avator as a 28" (30x27) bottom gear. Do you think I'd get up it? ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:40pm
Mwahahahahahah!! Sounds like a venue ideally suited to a Fujin SL II  |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:12pm
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LeeW wrote: "My race bike, see avator as a 28" (30x27) bottom gear. Do you think I'd get up it?"
Reckon you would get up a cliff with a 28" gear, Lee! Whereas I would not... ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 10:43pm
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I'm thinking the Kingcycle may be a better bet than the Hurri...
Or possibly the motorbike...  ------------- |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 12:14pm
| Is anyone going down to the AGM that could give me a lift? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 3:31pm
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Ian
Am planning on going down, but not sure about how to get bike/trike in the (new) car as yet. It's nicer than the old one, and if I scratch or get oil on it, it won't be worth me going home ....
 I'll be in touch asap.
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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:49pm
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Make a bag for your bike? Have you seen mike burrow's bag? ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 8:50pm
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the events page is a bit lacking in directions to the track btw.
might be useful having them up before the weekend :D map here: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=547121&y=191891&z=3&sv=547121,191891&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=547121&ay=191891 - http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=547121&y=191891&z=3&sv=547121,191891&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=547121&ay=191891 |
Posted By: Pete Cox
Date Posted: 23 September 2008 at 8:15am
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Rob, Any chance of a lift? I was going to miss it but if yr passing... ------------- Pete the Librarian Grasshopper,VK2, Rubicon, Moulton AM ++ |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 8:02am
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Just rented a new house in NWales and moving last this and next weekends stuff form SW.
been told NOT ALLOWED to go
 .............enjoy you 10% , I Vote ride up it
 GD
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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 8:52am
Don't forget to let the Membership Secretary know your new address, will you?
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Posted By: IanChattington
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 2:36pm
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What time are we going to run the race over on this wonderfully hilly thing. Please can we make it an hour to make all the traveling and 'training' worthwhile Anyone know how steep Eastway was after the hairpin to compare with HogHill? Not sure whether I used to use 1st or 2nd gear. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 3:38pm
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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 25 September 2008 at 8:28pm
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[/QUOTE] HeatherF
Note: we have the track from 12noon to 5pm and the club room for the AGM from 4pm to 6pm
Can we confirm that racing will not start until at least 12.00 (need to work out what time to set off from home). ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 25 September 2008 at 8:30pm
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Yes I can confirm that - sticky bike people are on until 12
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 28 September 2008 at 8:25pm
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I'm sooooo gutted I decided not to take a bike...
Not...
 Well done to all those who did brave the hills... ------------- |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 28 September 2008 at 9:20pm
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Great weather, great hills great Scott! I even managed to beat Barney (only because he was overgeared). Christine and I got lost coming back though which was a bit of a pain. ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:15am
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Just to say that I admired organisator Keith's bravery in making us do the entire circuit, including hills, despite mutterings from the masses to the contrary. Though I was among the mutterers, I have to say it was a good decision: the descent was fast, but not dangerous and the climb was hard work, but hard work for everybody. It's good to have a change from the usual flat circuits (I think...).
Next time I race there I shall have a lower bottom gear than 52x24, though  ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 12:49pm
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Yes it's great to have a hilly track once in a while. I used 42x27 (with 150mm) cranks on the last lap. Thanks Keith and all others involved in organising. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 1:03pm
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I think that could become one of my favourite circuits, if they planted some trees along the boring flat bit at the bottom then it would be even nicer! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 1:07pm
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Keith: Please check your PMs re a message I've sent about yesterday's results. Everyone else: My apologies for the late arrival of the results, due to much time wasted bandaging up my hands, after which they were pretty useless for using a keyboard. Sadly I had forgotten to borrow Ian Fardoe's helmet-cam prior to my crash so I am the sole viewer of my hands being dragged along the track at 35mph. Sorry again! Fiona & Heather: Many, many thanks for patching me up and sorting me out. Also to the Redbridge people for having an excellent first-aid room (though the showers are a bit weird). Note to self: try not to make similar stupid error at eg Darley Moor or Curborough. |
Posted By: madman
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 2:24pm
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Hello This is from Mr.Burrows Lost 8mill Snap-On spanner at the Redbridge Cycle Centre ------------- ratracer sl laid back and asleep http://www.flickr.com/photos/44642610@N00/ http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg8/bottlemasher/ |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 4:58pm
Helpful Hint: Marigolds keep dressings dry in the shower, but only if tightly secured at the cuffs with elastic bands  |
Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 5:07pm
Helpful but only if your dressings are on your hands. Dr Sidwell has dressings in many more places!
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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 8:41pm
I recommend one of these..  should stop nasty abrasions.. |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:00pm
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Fards wrote "should stop nasty abrasions..."
Mainly because the increased aerodynamic drag would prevent you from attaining dangerous speeds! Maybe it could inflate on impact, like an Airbag?? ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:09pm
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Many thanks to everyone who helped out, especially as I wasn't as prepared as I was at Shrewsbury last year. Special mention to: > Heather and Andrew for setting up the sign on while I was making myself unpopular I'm glad that the choice of circuit worked out in the end (or maybe everyone was too knackered to lynch me afterwards!). It was a shame that there were some DNFs as a result - but that made the achievement of those who did stick it for the whole race all the greater. Especially Geoff and Andrew who went up the hill 9 times (mental note to never challenge them to an arm wrestle!) and Liam (it was a big hill for the wee man).
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:36pm
The results, provisional as always, are now here:http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sidwells/Andrew/BHPC/results/hoghill08.html - Hog Hill resultsand here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sidwells/Andrew/BHPC/results/tables08.html - Positions after Round 9A few points worth mentioning:
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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:52pm
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I'll get in early, Andrew. Fiona says I did 4 laps, not 1. She didn't hand in my result as she was helping rebuild a certain Dr Sidwell. Thanks for doing the results though, despite your disability.
I should point out that I DNF'd, not because of the steep uphill (though it was tempting and would have become more so, I'm sure), but because I shed a chain on lap 4 and had a puncture on lap 5. I was rather nervous about either happening again in the middle of the 38 mph corner!
I liked the track very much - it's good to have something different in the calendar and I'm sure that, like Eastway, any bike that is quick around Hog Hill will likely be quick on public roads as well. I just hope people will be careful down that hill... ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 10:47pm
IIRC, this bike had a nose fairing, so [<gulp>, cos I make mistakes] might I suggest O / P
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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 10:55pm
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O / P / St Surely!
Glyn Lewis, likewise should be O / P /St (Although his nosecone is not strictly legal under the Street Class rules, but it's near enough). Neither Fiona or Andy Forey qualify for the Sports Class either. This all shows that we have too many classes and the organisers certainly cannot be expected to keep track of it all. ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 11:03pm
I think it should be O/F/St
On a similar note, Glyn Lewis had front and rear fairings and so should be O/F/St and Andy Forey was fully faired and so should be O/F...
I think Fiona was O/U/L??
Other thing to note is Keith and Adrian's average speed and the fact that they were only one lap down on Slash and Ian!
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 11:04pm
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Aha! Geoff beat me to it! ------------- |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 11:06pm
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I'm outa here! Bally good organising, by the way (as Boris might say). Thank you all helpers  . |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 11:07pm
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You are allowed either a front OR rear fairing in Partially Faired (P) Alan, so I was right about Kamal but you are right about Glyn (he also had a tailbox) - my mistake. Phew, wot a palaver! ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:46am
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Graham who was counting my laps told me afterwards that he had lost count. I was ahead of Barney and Stuart, I overtook Eddie as he was running up the hill so I guess I was ahead of him and I had kept up with Claire (well about 200 yards behind) for the whole of the race and she was just doing her warm down on the short circuit as I finished. ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 9:17am
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Mike Burrows was on the same lap as me, but a little behind. If you have a time for him that should indicate whether he should have 16 or 17 laps. He knowingly didn't have a counter on the grounds that he doesn't care about championship points. Him having a Hog Hill result would add spice to Hillingdon, though.
Unless he had a stop at some point, Simon was only one lap down on me (16 laps). Also, I think I only lapped Stuart once, in which case he should have 15. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 9:45am
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I scored 0 laps at Hog Hill yet still gained 1119 points in Unfaired, all for about 20 seconds of racing. Bonkers, eh? OK, so I 'made the effort' in getting there, but nowhere near the effort made by the poor sods who tanked up that hill 17 or 18 times. On recent form, if I'd finished the race instead of crashing I would probably have come in 4th Unfaired with 1763 points. So, almost 2/3 of the points are just for turning up and starting, and 1/3 for racing. Mike also recorded 0 laps at Hog Hill and still got 1531 points in Part-Faired. Whether this was intentional or not, it was an excellent demonstration of the point he's been making (along with Adrian, Neil and others) that the points system needs to reward performance more. No fancy handicap system, just a steeper slope, eg 5% between positions as Adrian suggested. If I'd pulled out of Fowlmead after a few yards I'd have done even better: 1531 points instead of 1119 because the field was smaller. May I commend a change in the the points system to the house, and to the new Comp Sec. |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:31am
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Yes, but he beat you to a different conclusion...
------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:49am
I shall be posting here for (I hope not too prolonged) discussion my thoughts on minor tweaks to classes and points systems just as soon as I've had time to think them through, write them up and check against the recent discussion thread for how close they would be to the consensus. If you've read that thread you're unlikely to be surprised at anything in the post.
I'm under no illusions that there is any system that will please everybody but I've aired my opinions in the recent discussion and nobody was sufficiently bothered by them to make a contest of the CompSec post. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:19pm
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It's all kicking off now! Here's my take:
The other thing to consider is that other than putting Mike in 5th place, the only significant effect on the top half that of the table that the last three changes have is to move Dave T from 5th place down to 9th place. This is quite a drop, so I would want to know his thoughts on this before being happy to give the OK for the last three changes.
Anyone else?
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:41pm
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Apparently Mike told Anne Coulson at the start of the second race that he did have a lap counter. Though if you wanted just to get on and have a race, you probably would. Mike has raced enough this year to know he needed a lap counter. I think any protest was more to do with the points system - though I doubt that I was the only one who noticed that Mike wasn't very happy about having to do the hill, too. Talking to Mike after the race I got the impression that Mike thought the part-faired championship was already settled (winner: PaulC) and he may not have realised that, if credited with his second place, he's still in the hunt for it himself.
I think neither Mike nor DaveT do webby stuff, so if anyone reading Keith's post above can tell them, that would be good.
------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:53pm
This was probably unintentional, but if it resulted in eg Mike not bothering with lap counting, or PaulC not turning up, then maybe it should be reconsidered. The original (pre-reclassification) tables before Hog Hill are still up on http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events08/tables08.html - the main website if anyone wants to see them. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:54pm
[edit] I think Adrian lapped me 3 (4?) times, but I unlapped once by sprinting for the chequered flag. So Adrian S might be +2 (3?) laps on me? [/edit] < help  > |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 1:12pm
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Barney definitely did 11 laps. Stu did come past you Yowie, fairly early on (with the other ratracers). Looking at it I'd suggest we got it wrong with Adrian and Keith, ( iwas counting Barney and Keith) and they did 16 not 17? but I'm fairly sure that Slash & Ian only lapped them once about 1/3 the way into the race. |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 1:15pm
Not quite, according to my calculations. Without NeilF's reclassification, wins at Hog Hill and Hillingdon would put me just ahead of Paul C (13447 vs 13424), unless he were to get an eighth result in order to drop his poor result from the first Hillingdon race. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 1:32pm
I had my GPS running during the race - I'll upload the data this evening and let you know how many laps it recorded (excluding the test lap before the first race and the warm-down lapette after the second.)
There was me thinking it was just the world financial markets that were in chaos and turmoil!
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Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 1:36pm
My take on things, considering they're coloured by a face down in dirt incident leading to a DNF after the bell, is that Glyn was well ahead of Stuart M but behind Claire so I think Glyn should have 13 laps which if put into the tables then they look correct to me.
AND Once again many thanks to those who took the time to do the organising - Keith it was trult cruel decision to make us use the whole track but definitely the right decision - a truly memorable track and a great day out, definitely worth a 500 mile round trip. Hopefully next time we'll get a chance to ride it the other way round, imagine the fun of a bunch finish up that hill.
Barney
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Posted By: Wyndrake
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 2:48pm
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I think my Hog Hill result may be understated. Richard Everett passed me four times and I overtook young Liam twice. My computer shows an average speed of 12.2 mph and a distance of 11.49 miles = 9 laps not 7?
Really enjoyed the day and my physio says "thanks" to the organisers for the repeat business!
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 5:05pm
I was logging both heart rate and altitude. Both make it pretty clear that I climbed the hill 16 times, so fards is right (and therefore StuartD's and Simon's lap counts look right without adjustment). ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 5:08pm
I spoke to Mike this afternoon, and he's really not bothered about being allocated championship points. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 5:12pm
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My powermeter clearly shows me climbing the hill 15 times ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: eddie
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 7:05pm
Firstly, thanks to all organisers for a great day on Sunday. Next, I haven't got a clue how many laps Glyn did, so I have no objection to him being credited with the extra two. Finally, if it bothers anybody Andrew, technically I should be O/U rather than O/F for this one - I had to take the fairing off so I could dismount and run up the hill! I'm not really bothered which class I end up in though - I do this for a bit of fun rather than trying to amass class points. Thanks again for a great day, on a great leveller of a course, Ed. |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 7:23pm
Better to allocate them out of badness then! ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 7:55pm
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Andrew S wrote: "I scored 0 laps at Hog Hill yet still gained 1119 points in Unfaired, all for about 20 seconds of racing. Bonkers, eh?"
But surely, if we used the points scored in the Open Championship to score each class then this phenomenon would be even worse. It would be quite possible for someone doing 1/2 a lap at a poorly attended meeting in, say, the Multitrack Class, to score more points than the class winner at a popular race!
Perhaps we shouldn't score points at all and just delight in the joys of a friendly, hard fought race on the day (jumpers for goalposts etc.).------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 7:59pm
I too feel like that, as apparently does Eddie... but then which of us is in with a chance of being a Champion? |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:04pm
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NickM wrote: "but then which of us is in with a chance of being a Champion?"
Aye, very true. You two more than me at that. Perhaps we could have some form of Handicap competition...
(PS: Remind me to talk 2u about mending fairings Nick - sorry for not mentioning it on Sunday) ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: garryb59
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:42pm
Interesting. I've often wondered how many people have the same feeling. I certainly do. Not that I'd ever be bothered to vote for such an abolition, [like, what would you gain?] but I can honestly say that it matters very little who is riding what, what class it's in, and how many points they have, or have not. On the day, I'm content to get into a tussle with anybody who's riding anything, regardless of gender, age or class. Guess we all do things for different reasons, but for me I'm happy that my BHPC membership allows me to swap 'building notes' with others of a similar standard, check out what they've done, and to flirt with the engineering knowledge and experience of my superiors.....only to then watch a lot of it completely wash over me |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:11pm
For anyone still interested in points, based on:
the results for the second race look like this:
The first column is the rider's ranking in the original results. Let me know if there is anything else to take into account.
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Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 11:49pm
On this line, it certainly used to be the procedure that you only scored points if you had competed the bulk of the race so Andrew would have got nothing but Barney would have since he died just before the end. The figure of 75% of the race duration comes to mind ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 01 October 2008 at 7:41am
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It is an interesting point - but off topic - I'm opening a new one to discuss points when not finishing
------------- Kevin Jenkins Windcheetah |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 01 October 2008 at 7:51am
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I had a token Front fairing so I could be in O/F and I wasn't on the Black Panzer. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 01 October 2008 at 8:38am
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Hi Keith,
Having a front fairing and tailbox means that I should be classed in O/F. This confusion will end next year when I finally get the KC totally enclosed. Personally I am not concerned with what class I am in; like others who have expressed an opinion I race for enjoyment first but of course without the system of placings racing becomes meaningless. ------------- weight is everything |