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Topic: BHPC Calendar 2011
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Subject: BHPC Calendar 2011
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 1:38pm

With nobody else putting themselves up for the job, I'm assuming that following the AGM I will be the person tasked with putting the BHPC race calendar for 2011 together.  Hence this post to get any feedback from the racing (and potentially racing) membership about what you'd like to see.  Below are a few current thoughts, in no particular order.  Please feel free to comment on these points, or on absolutely anything else you'd like - or anything this year that you didn't.

  • The basic shape of the season has worked well for several years, so I intend to follow a similar pattern, with 12 days of racing, of which the best 8 results would count
  • Though we got some good coverage - but mostly to do with some stonking "Hot Laps" rather than our own race - the Brands Hatch (Bike Radar Live) experiment didn't work well as a BHPC race.  Neither I nor Mike Burrows (I'd like to thank him again for all the effort to make the event happen) would propose repeating it
  • I'll aim to include the two established weekend events: Lancaster/Preston and the two-dayer at Fowlmead.  What would people think to a third one?  The new circuit at Stourport looks a must-try and others have already suggested a weekend event combining that and another midlands venue, such as Shrewsbury.  Another suggested - but untried by us - track is in Solihull.  For me, weekend events reduce travelling and free another weekend for other stuff.  For others, maybe those with families, weekend events are difficult.  How do they suit the membership in general?
  • Fees at Castle Combe have risen steeply over recent years, and it may well be unaffordable.  I have a great deal of trouble getting dates there too.  I still want to put on one longer race (say 2 hours).  The best candidate venue for that seems to be Fowlmead, probably the second day there.
  • There may be a possibility of a town-centre criterium event - on similar lines to those some of you have attended in Jersey.  The courses are often not suited to streamliners or to the more extreme unfaired/part-faired bikes.  Would you be up for it?
  • How many velodrome events?  I'd go for one: they're fairly expensive, and I find them a bit dull, but it's variety and allows people to have a go at record-setting
  • Given that Hillingdon now looks suitable for an AGM, we don't have to go back to Hog Hill.  Would you miss the hill or be glad never to see it again?  If we omit it, I'll aim for the replacement to be in the South East; Reading?
  • I'll try to make some events on Saturdays, but then I did this year too.  The predominance of Sunday events is mostly down to the availability of venues.
  • Where I know or can find out about other events (BPCC, CylceVision, Worlds), I'll do my very best to avoid clashes, but sometimes they're unavoidable, or dates are announced after ours are confirmed
  • It has been suggested that the AGM meeting be a "just for fun" event.  Apparently - but before my racing days - this was how it was.  A good idea, or would it just mean that you wouldn't attend the AGM?

All constructive comments welcome.



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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 2:57pm
All sounds good to me Adrian... Solihull worked very well for the pedal car race there this year.
Reading is ok or Welwyn may be an alternative (and steeper) velodrome?
I very much doubt we'd get many people turn up to an AGM that wasn't on a race day. The only time we tried it before (at York) it meant a lot of work for some of us for a meeting that ended up not being quorate, so we had to do it all again... So I'd keep the AGM as it is, although I'd like to see it followed by a social gathering of some sort to end the season...
 
I'd also like to do something in the closed season (maybe an indoor velodrome if there is enough interest) but maybe that should be up to somebody other than the competition secretary to sort out!
 
It would be good if all the pedal car races could be avoided, but especially the 24 hour race (June 25th - 26th 2011) as most pedal car teams need to drag in a couple of extra drivers for that one and some of us were struggling this year... Dead
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

It would be good if all the pedal car races could be avoided, but especially the 24 hour race (June 25th - 26th 2011) as most pedal car teams need to drag in a couple of extra drivers for that one and some of us were struggling this year... Dead
 
Yes, and the clash we had this year didn't help the turnout at our event at Sbunthorpe, so avoiding a clash is a win-win


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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:06pm
Very true!!

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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

I'd also like to do something in the closed season (maybe an indoor velodrome if there is enough interest) but maybe that should be up to somebody other than the competition secretary to sort out!
 
I have looked into indoor velodromes for events early in the season.  Obstacles are that, at least for during the day at a weekend, you have to book a very long way in advance, and they're expensive.  Either or both may improve once the London velodrome is available for more general use (presumably not till after the Olympics) and once the UCI's Brit-scuppering rules have made GB look like (relative) failures at London 2012, with a consequent wane in interest in track cycling.


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Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:15pm
I'd be sorry to see the loss of Castle Combe - I enjoy having the space of a well surfaced motor racing circuit to throw the machine around. That back straight at Darley Moor tends to be too rough to really enjoy riding there - that circuit could be so nice if they just gave it a bit of a tidy back there. Thruxton and Goodwood were good but seem to remember they were also silly money for sole use too.

I'm not a fan of venues that involve the M25. Hillingdon is a good enough circuit to manage (even twice in a season) but couldn't be bothered with Brands Hatch or Fowlmead. Too much a risk of ending up sat in traffic rather than getting to the venue, or getting home at a sensible time.

Weekend events work well.

Town centre crit sounds like a waste of time for a points race. With full-on support like in Freidrichshaven it was good racing but compromised by street furniture being in the way and requiring lots of fencing and marshalling.. I'd be surprised to find that level of support more locally - tho assume from your suggestion that we have an invite?

Having said don't like the M25, throwing in a random out-of-the-way track like the Welsh one that was suggested does give the opportunity for a weekend away doing 'touristy stuff' on the Saturday, racing on the Sunday. But not in the south east...



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Posted By: rwa.martin
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:24pm
I was at Blenheim bike day on Sunday which included the Brompton World Championships. There was a TT, a sportive, upright trikes and a family fun ride as well as the Bromptons. Great venue and atmosphere - perhaps they might be interested in a BHPC event for 2011, making this the replacement for the Bike Radar Live event?


Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

 

  • Given that Hillingdon now looks suitable for an AGM, we don't have to go back to Hog Hill.  Would you miss the hill or be glad never to see it again?  If we omit it, I'll aim for the replacement to be in the South East; Reading?

All constructive comments welcome.

Adrian
 
It all sounds fine to me and I, along with many others in the silent majority, have appreciated your work this year.
 
With regard to AGM 's the clubhouse at Stourport was also eminently suitable.
 
Town Centre crits - yes please but then I'm travelling alot slower than the streamliners so can enjoy them.
 
Curborough ??????????
 
Barney


Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:48pm
as a family type weekends are not so good........
to many in the SE again are also a put off.
 
I enjoy the 2hr, but not sure I'd like to see it on a double weekend with perhaps the longest drive ie fowlmead.
 
 


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • The basic shape of the season has worked well for several years, so I intend to follow a similar pattern, with 12 days of racing, of which the best 8 results would count
Great, I agree.
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • I'll aim to include the two established weekend events: Lancaster/Preston and the two-dayer at Fowlmead.  What would people think to a third one?
  • Not easy for me, the family are a bit too young to come to the races yet (and enjoy it)
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • The new circuit at Stourport [on-Severn?] looks a must-try
  • Yeah, I'd be up for that, but not as a weekend double.
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    ...Another suggested - but untried by us - track is in Solihull.
    Also withing spitting distance.
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • Fees at Castle Combe have risen steeply over recent years, and it may well be unaffordable
  • I would still like a 2-hour race in the calendar
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • There may be a possibility of a town-centre criterium event
  • A great leveller!  I had a good one on the B1, so why not?
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • How many velodrome events?
  • I would really like us to go to Newport again, a world class indoor track.
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • Would you miss the hill or be glad never to see it again?
  • bye-bye hill.
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

  • It has been suggested that the AGM meeting be a "just for fun" event.
  • you wouldn't get me there for "fun", sorry.
    Originally posted by <span id=userPro41030 =showDropDown'userPro41030', 'proMenu41030', 160, 0; =msgSidePro title=View Drop Down>rwa.martin</span> rwa.martin wrote:


    I was at Blenheim bike day on Sunday which included the Brompton World Championships... Great venue and atmosphere - perhaps they might be interested in a BHPC event for 2011
    Good idea!  Worth a call to find out.


    Posted By: homebrew
    Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 9:12pm
    has any body looked at any venues below the M4 line
    lon

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    Posted By: fards
    Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 9:25pm
    tbh I'd quite like a race that was longer than 2 hours, but not certain what type of uptake we'd get for it. 

    I'm also still working on plans for a 24hr race next year. 


    Posted By: tosgh
    Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 9:40pm

    As an aside I will shortly be in communication with a fellow cycle enthusiast who is involved with promoting cycling (in all its forms) in the local area (south coast). He is aiming to host a cycle weekend or suchlike in Worthing to include all manner of events which he may be interested in a recumbent event (maybe a demonstration or precession) for people to watch. This will be in the Bank holiday in August. More details to follow.



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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:22pm
    Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

    Town centre crit sounds like a waste of time for a points race. With full-on support like in Freidrichshaven it was good racing but compromised by street furniture being in the way and requiring lots of fencing and marshalling.. I'd be surprised to find that level of support more locally - tho assume from your suggestion that we have an invite?
     
    Yes, if it happened it would be as part of somebody else's event - again, very much as in Jersey.  I have no intention of getting us involved with having to erect crowd barriers, and I wasn't even at Brighton in 2001.


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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:25pm
    Originally posted by BarneyH BarneyH wrote:

    Curborough ??????????
     
    Highly unlikely, I'm afraid.  I've already been in touch with Curborough and there aren't really any suitable dates available.


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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:32pm
    Originally posted by homebrew homebrew wrote:

    has any body looked at any venues below the M4 line
     
    Castle Combe is south of the M4 ... just!
     
    We've been to Thruxton a couple of times, though not in my time as CompSec.  Both times were in association with other people's events; my recollection is that they're not at all keen on letting in people they don't know, it being not just a race curcuit but an operational airfield too.
     
    Does anyone know any available tracks?  I'm always prepared to listen to suggestions.


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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:34pm
    Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

    I'm also still working on plans for a 24hr race next year. 
     
    Any dates known, that I should avoid clashing with?


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    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 4:59pm
    Originally posted by homebrew homebrew wrote:

    has any body looked at any venues below the M4 line
    lon

    Castle Coombe
    Thruxton
    Reading
    Brighton/Goodwood...


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    Posted By: graydog
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 5:15pm
    AS "Does anyone know any available tracks?  I'm always prepared to listen to suggestions."
     
    LLandow and it is south of the M4 http://www.llandow.com/ - http://www.llandow.com/
    can be chaep, like 1-2 pound per rider on a sunday turn up and ride. perhaps a bit more for a proper us only race.
    you may get the rodie crew turning up to.....
    Nikol Cook started out there.
     


    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 5:47pm
    Originally posted by graydog graydog wrote:

    LLandow [...] can be chaep, like 1-2 pound per rider on a sunday turn up and ride. perhaps a bit more for a proper us only race.
     
    The rates their web site quotes for exclusive hire are beyond our means:
    Sat  £2000.00 + VAT 
    Sun  £3000.00 + VAT
     
    Are the cycling events you mention always at short notice (i.e. no booking this weekend so we'll let the cyclists in) or does the circuit have a limit on number of days for motor use, so they might hire it out at lower rates when they've run out of those?
     
     


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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 5:56pm
    Does anyone have contact details for the Solihull track?

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    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:15pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    The rates their web site quotes for exclusive hire are beyond our means:
    Sat  £2000.00 + VAT 
    Sun  £3000.00 + VAT

    Ouch!
    Presumably when you say Castle Combe is expensive, you don't mean THAT expensive...


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    Posted By: Hedgehog
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:00pm
    There is an outdoor track at Portsmouth !
     
    Their rates are very reasonable too - if you google the post code below and look at the satelite view you can see the track.
     
    Basic details are (I also have an email address for Sue):
     
    Cycle track is 535.61m and is available to hire we do have loos on the track and very near indoor facilities available
     
    The cost would be £73.70 day hire and £53.25 evening hire should you wish to hire through the night these charges would be charged again plus the cost of two members of staff being on site.
     
    The light charge would be £18.15 per hour.
     
    You would need approval from the British Cycling Federation and Insurance to cover the event. I can give you the local contact telephone number should you require it.
     
    I have tried to telephone you this evening but had no reply to speak about your booking in more detail however please contact me directly on this email address or on the telephone number below should you require any further information
     
     
    Susan Page
    Events and Bookings Manager
    The Mountbatten Leisure Centre
    Alexandra Park
    Stamshaw
    Portsmouth
    Hants
    PO2 9QA
    023 9262 6505


    Posted By: graydog
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:35pm
    they use to have a limit of 5 sundays for MS, the prices you see are for car/bike racing.
    there are a number of events run there the Dragon series, loads of kids events, charity, the solar car used it.
    It used to be 'pay a quid to ride on a sunday any number of bodies.......'
    I'll give them a shout if you like.
     
    gd


    Posted By: BarneyH
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:56pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    Does anyone have contact details for the Solihull track?
     
    When I tried the track out in 2008 it was Chris Barr at Solihull Council:-
     

    mailto:cbarr@solihull.gov.uk - cbarr@solihull.gov.uk



    Posted By: Yanto63
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 7:57pm
    S Wales is a tad more than i'm prepared to do for one race! I didn't like the journey to that part of Wales when i lived in Bath!

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    Posted By: graydog
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:03pm
    40 miles west of Bristol.......... if it was a long race like the two hour?
     
    At the monent it is the EHPC, with a a bias to SEHPC. we really ought to put more NE to be fair.
    To be fair, I have four fairly close.
     
    Gd


    Posted By: KeithD
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:49pm
    • The basic shape of the season has worked well for several years, so I intend to follow a similar pattern, with 12 days of racing, of which the best 8 results would count

    It makes sense to leave it like this - at least until the timing system has a full season of operation.

    • Though we got some good coverage - but mostly to do with some stonking "Hot Laps" rather than our own race - the Brands Hatch (Bike Radar Live) experiment didn't work well as a BHPC race.  Neither I nor Mike Burrows (I'd like to thank him again for all the effort to make the event happen) would propose repeating it

    It's a shame the BHPC race didn't work out better - but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    • I'll aim to include the two established weekend events: Lancaster/Preston and the two-dayer at Fowlmead.  What would people think to a third one?  The new circuit at Stourport looks a must-try and others have already suggested a weekend event combining that and another midlands venue, such as Shrewsbury.  Another suggested - but untried by us - track is in Solihull.  For me, weekend events reduce travelling and free another weekend for other stuff.  For others, maybe those with families, weekend events are difficult.  How do they suit the membership in general?

    Definite thumbs up to weekend events - for the social gathering between the races as much as the 2-races-for-the-price-of-1 when it comes to travel.

    • Fees at Castle Combe have risen steeply over recent years, and it may well be unaffordable.  I have a great deal of trouble getting dates there too.  I still want to put on one longer race (say 2 hours).  The best candidate venue for that seems to be Fowlmead, probably the second day there.

    Fowlmead is a good candidate for a longer race - it can't possibly be as wet again next year!

    • There may be a possibility of a town-centre criterium event - on similar lines to those some of you have attended in Jersey.  The courses are often not suited to streamliners or to the more extreme unfaired/part-faired bikes.  Would you be up for it?

    Yes - would be good to see how it's done elsewhere.

    • How many velodrome events?  I'd go for one: they're fairly expensive, and I find them a bit dull, but it's variety and allows people to have a go at record-setting

    If you mean outdoor velodromes (like Wolverhampton, Reading etc) I would agree. Indoor velodromes (eg Sloten) are a different matter - if anyone manages to get some time on one - count me in!

    • Given that Hillingdon now looks suitable for an AGM, we don't have to go back to Hog Hill.  Would you miss the hill or be glad never to see it again?  If we omit it, I'll aim for the replacement to be in the South East; Reading?

    There needs to be a difficult hill in at least one of the championship races. As the results show, speed isn't all about aerodynamics, and it doesn't make it any easier to say that recumbents can go up hills if we avoid them in our racing calendar! It doesn't have to be at Redbridge/HogHill, but I've not got alternative suggestion, and it is a good quality track with v.good facilities. Those flat-land blouse-wearing* big-jessies who don't like hills should stop moaning and get up more. So there.

    • I'll try to make some events on Saturdays, but then I did this year too.  The predominance of Sunday events is mostly down to the availability of venues.

    Neutral on this one - whatever is easier to organise.

    • Where I know or can find out about other events (BPCC, CylceVision, Worlds), I'll do my very best to avoid clashes, but sometimes they're unavoidable, or dates are announced after ours are confirmed

    In addition to the BPCC 24 hour, these two events have always had BHPC members taking part, and have been confirmed for 2011:

    15th May, Etape Caledonia, 

    29th May, Jersey Town Criterium,

    • It has been suggested that the AGM meeting be a "just for fun" event.  Apparently - but before my racing days - this was how it was.  A good idea, or would it just mean that you wouldn't attend the AGM?

    Would probably still attend the AGM, but it would be much prefer there was a championship race on the same day/weekend.


    As for races south of the M4 - never mind that, how about a race north of the M6? The most extensive colour in the BHPC logo comes from the saltire - 'bout time there was a race there! You guys (and ladies) reading this north of the border - it's not the EHPC - let us know where we can come and race!


    * apologies to blouse wearers who like hills


    Rob: D- for geography! Reading is just North the M4.





    Posted By: graydog
    Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:59pm
    hear hear Mc,  kilts at the ready two day north of the boarder with a two hr!!!
     


    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:28am
    Originally posted by Hedgehog Hedgehog wrote:

    You would need approval from the British Cycling Federation

    LOLLOLLOL



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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 9:30am
    @McDee
     
    Is the Jersey Town Crit just uprights in 2011?  I understood you were taking a (I must say, after this year, very well-deserved) rest from putting on an HPV race.


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    Posted By: Hedgehog
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 3:08pm
    I spoke to the centre about using the track for velomobiles and a possible 24 hour.
     
    Having told them that British cycling don't view velo's as bikes they seemed totally chilled and said when did I want to use the track.
     
    The prices and conditions were their standard stuff off the sheet but would not rule out velo or recumbents.Tongue


    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 5:18pm
    Originally posted by McDee McDee wrote:

    Rob: D- for geography! Reading is just North the M4.

    Only because they put a dirty detour squiggle in it to go around Reading - MOST of the M4 is further north than Reading!!!


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    Posted By: Hadden
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 5:44pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    [QUOTE=AlanGoodman]
    I'd also like to do something in the closed season (maybe an indoor velodrome if there is enough interest) but maybe that should be up to somebody other than the competition secretary to sort out!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      


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    Posted By: Hadden
    Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 5:49pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

    I'd also like to do something in the closed season (maybe an indoor velodrome if there is enough interest) but maybe that should be up to somebody other than the competition secretary to sort out!
     
    I have looked into indoor velodromes for events early in the season.  Obstacles are that, at least for during the day at a weekend, you have to book a very long way in advance, and they're expensive.  Either or both may improve once the London velodrome is available for more general use (presumably not till after the Olympics) and once the UCI's Brit-scuppering rules have made GB look like (relative) failures at London 2012, with a consequent wane in interest in track cycling.
    I would be willing to organise an out of season event on an indoor velodrome. I have already talked to Newport about private hire.  It might have to be a weekday though.  The London l Velodrome is progressing well. I hope we can get to race there sometime.  Here is a link to their internal construction webcam. http://www.london2012.com/webcams/velodrome-internal.php - http://www.london2012.com/webcams/velodrome-internal.php

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    Posted By: Wyndrake
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 2:44pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    Originally posted by homebrew homebrew wrote:

    has any body looked at any venues below the M4 line
     
    Castle Combe is south of the M4 ... just!
     
    We've been to Thruxton a couple of times, though not in my time as CompSec.  Both times were in association with other people's events; my recollection is that they're not at all keen on letting in people they don't know, it being not just a race curcuit but an operational airfield too.
     
    Does anyone know any available tracks?  I'm always prepared to listen to suggestions.
     
    Adrian,
     
    RNAS Heron (Merryfield Airfield at Ilton, near Ilminster, Somerset) has been hosting a variety of 'wheeled' race events for the last three years or so. It's an operational helicopter training base during weekdays, but available to rent at most weekends. Think Bentwaters @ 60% scale, with many curves over the 3.2 mile perimeter circuit. Very wide, main runway for sprints. Facilities, what facilities? Used by BC for criterium series, and by TVCRA a consortia of local cycling teams for mid week evening 'training'. The Tricycle Assn use it for Criteriums and the Electric Car race people had it for a weekend of Junior races last month.
     
    Cost? Negotiable ...... depends on CO's mood!
     
    Too far south of the M4? If anyone wants to have a look at it, I can smuggle you in past the guards ...
     
    Alan B.


    Posted By: Hedgehog
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 4:15pm
    Some races in the South would be good Smile


    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 4:32pm
    Originally posted by Wyndrake Wyndrake wrote:

    RNAS Heron (Merryfield Airfield at Ilton, near Ilminster, Somerset)
    Too far south of the M4? If anyone wants to have a look at it, I can smuggle you in past the guards ...
    Alan B.

    Sounds like a damn fine location to me! Much nicer place to get to than the M20...
    Rob


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    Posted By: homebrew
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 4:56pm
    Clapnearly on my door step sounds like a winner to me
    jon
     


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    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 7:55pm
    Originally posted by Hedgehog Hedgehog wrote:

    Some races in the South would be good Smile

    They've nearly all been in the south this year...
    Castle Combe,
    Hillingdon,
    Hog Hill,
    Fowlmead,
    Jersey,
    Brands Hatch
    I'm strugging not to put Darley Moor on the list too...


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    Posted By: tosgh
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 8:51pm
    if its north of London, its northTongue

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    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 9:00pm
    Originally posted by tosgh tosgh wrote:

    if its north of London, its northTongue

    I was confused coming off the Corran Ferry and seeing the left turn marked as "Fort William and The North". I am not totally convinced there is much of anything north of town...


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    Posted By: gNick
    Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 9:47pm
    Given my closest event is 2 hours drive South, something closer to Scotland would be nice!

    We do have a very nice circuit at Hetton Lyons, though we would need a few marshals to fend off some of the more interesting local yoof.



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    Posted By: Rob
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 12:46pm
    gNick, an event up your way and a social ride on the other day would be class... Or even just an excuse for an overnight at the seaside on the way up.


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    Posted By: Andhar
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 12:49pm
    Hetton is  a good circuit. Enjoyed racing there. Nick need to keep dog walkers off as well if I remember; so marshalls essential, but could be done.. We are thinking of eithergoing to Jersey or lancaster/Preston next year.

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    Posted By: JDub
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 1:04pm
    We gave up on this one because of vandals, broken glass and moped riders. It needs a lot of marshalling, which wasn't available before. Very nice circuit, assuming it hasn't been ruined. Used to be part of a weekend event . If we get enough to turn out for 2 races, marshalling could be possible, but marshalls should probably be in pairs. Hetton le Hole...  Says it all. 

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    Posted By: jes@gcre
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 6:32pm
    http://www.pedalcars.info/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3647&PN=1 -
    The draft BPCC calendar for 2011 is now here:
     
    http://www.pedalcars.info/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3647&PN=1


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    Posted By: martinbguk
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 6:59pm
    Hetton le Hole
    Just had a look on Google earth
    Which ever way round you go, if you get it wrong you could end up going for a swim in the lake.LOL
    Assuming I have looked at the right one...


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    Posted By: Yanto63
    Date Posted: 08 October 2010 at 7:27pm
    Originally posted by jes@gcre jes@gcre wrote:

    The draft BPCC calendar for 2010 is now here:



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    Posted By: gNick
    Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 3:03pm
    Originally posted by martinbguk martinbguk wrote:

    Hetton le Hole
    Just had a look on Google earth
    Which ever way round you go, if you get it wrong you could end up going for a swim in the lake.LOL
    Assuming I have looked at the right one...


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    Posted By: Hedgehog
    Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 5:12pm
    I spoke to Mountbatten re the possibility of using the track for a BHPC race and they seemed open to the idea.  You can see the track which is banked on google maps http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=PO2+9QA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Portsmouth+PO2+9QA&gl=uk&ei=EHy4TMKhI9mS4gaep6n0DQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ8gEwAA - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=PO2+9QA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Portsmouth+PO2+9QA&gl=uk&ei=EHy4TMKhI9mS4gaep6n0DQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ8gEwAA  
     
    There is also parking and facilities which get a 5 star rating on reviews.  See http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/sightseeing-national/mountbatten-centre/269159/ - http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/sightseeing-national/mountbatten-centre/269159/


    Posted By: KeithD
    Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 10:48pm
    At less than a mile from the ferry port, it's the track with the shortest cycling distance from my house. So I guess it's my local track - so it gets my vote! :-)


    Posted By: Yowie
    Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 3:48pm
    Been past it so many times, but never knew there was a cycle track there.  I assume its the grey track we're looking at for cycling on, is it banked at all?


    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 7:45pm
    Originally posted by Hedgehog Hedgehog wrote:

    I spoke to Mountbatten re the possibility of using the track for a BHPC race


    Well, it's been a long time since we had an event in that part of the country. 

    Do you know what the surface is like?  The google aerials give the appearance of there being quite a lot of patching, much of it done as strips across the track, perpendicular to the cyclists' line of travel.  As we found last time out at Welwyn, that can make life quite interesting even at the speeds of the faster part-faired riders, let alone at those Slash, Lee and Co. attain.


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    Posted By: Yowie
    Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 9:16pm
    Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

    Do you know what the surface is like?  The google aerials give the appearance of there being quite a lot of patching...
    It appears to me that the surface has been completely redone.  Perhaps as part of recent refurbishment of the whole centre.    See:-
    http://www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=mountbatten+centre+portsmouth+cycle+track&s=rec - www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=mountbatten+centre+portsmouth+cycle+track&s=rec


    Posted By: fards
    Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 11:42pm
    looks a very nice surface 
    How big is it?
     the aerials make it look quite long, or the athletics track very very short. 


    Posted By: deejay
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 2:25pm

    It’d be great if we could have a race in Scotland.  I remembered cycling past Knockhill race circuit (slightly north of Edinburgh) on an audax, and it’s the only race track I can think of at the minute.  I’ve just had a quick look on their website  http://corporate-entertainment.knockhill.com/corporate-venue-hire.php - http://corporate-entertainment.knockhill.com/corporate-venue-hire.php , but it looks like it might cost a fortune to hire it – up to £12,000 per day in peak season (down to £2,000 per half day in January!)  I’ve not yet managed to make it down to a BHPC event, so I’m not sure what sort of tracks/facilities are required to stage a race.  Knockhill also have a kart track  http://karting.knockhill.com/karting-information.php - http://karting.knockhill.com/karting-information.php which might be more affordable.  As a matter of interest, how much do the current venues typically charge?

     
    Oh, I've also seen this - again, north of Edinburgh. http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/hire.htm - http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/hire.htm  It looks to be a dis-used runway with track and drag strip.


    Posted By: Yowie
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 2:34pm
    I have also always wished that the motor racing circuits could "do us a deal" because I think that many of the UK tracks offer superbly challenging tracks for us to ride on.  They are also the circuits we may be familiar with.  I for one am especially fond of Cadwell Park as it is uppey-downey and local to friends and family.  It has also claimed much skin and bone in the past , so I have a score to settle Evil Smile.

    I think that due to track-day demand they are all too costly, that is unless we can strike a deal from which they also gain some intangible benefit...


    Posted By: jes@gcre
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 2:40pm
    The problem is that it wouldn't benefit them when they can have a track day instead (which is what the circuit is for after all) and bring in serious revenue.
     
    Sorry to say, many of these places run on a shoe string as it is due to how expensive motor races are to run. If this was not the case then they wouldn't be so "basic" in their spectator facilities I guess.
     
    But has anyone tried Mallory Park?
    There are cycle races there during the week so they are sympathetic.


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    Posted By: Adrian Setter
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 3:43pm
    Typically we can afford to get onto motor sport circuits only if there are either restrictions - such as the number of days when they are allowed to make a noise - or lack of demand which mean that they would otherwise be sitting completely unused.  We can't compete with the rates that people will pay for motor use.
     
    I haven't tried Mallory Park, and I can have a go, but experience with other tracks doesn't leave me optimistic.  Snetterton, for example, hosts bike racing on weekdays (evenings IIRC) but there's no chance of getting on at an affordable rate at weekends, when it is fully-utilised for motor sport.


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    Posted By: jes@gcre
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:44pm

    Mallory is well used.

    I have been to cyclo cross there but the main circuit was still being used for cars.


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    Posted By: Hedgehog
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 6:47pm
    Mountbatten Cycle track in Portsmouth is 535.61m long.
    If it was of any interest I could go down and check on the surface.
    The athletics track is a full size normal track


    Posted By: gNick
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:00pm
    When I asked Mallory as a potential site for the Europeans that we held in Leicester, they were asking for about £6k...





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    Posted By: jes@gcre
    Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:02pm
    Sounds very cheap for a racing circuit!
     
    But that's the problem isn't it - the gulf between cheap for them and what anyone can actually afford!


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    Posted By: martinbguk
    Date Posted: 20 October 2010 at 8:52am
    I think the gulf is between income and expenses for every sort of racing circuit with pay back measured in 20+ years for each investment made on top of any running costs.

    It's nice to race at Castle Combe and Darley Moor but we aren't really their target user.




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    Posted By: Richard Ballant
    Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 11:46am
    Testing!

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    Posted By: homebrew
    Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 5:05pm
    works

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    Posted By: Neil
    Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 11:52am
    Originally posted by Richard Ballant Richard Ballant wrote:

    Testing!
    Works - But the public non member forums are still locked - and new visitors currently can not register.
     
    Neil



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