Reading, 18th June
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Topic: Reading, 18th June
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Subject: Reading, 18th June
Date Posted: 18 May 2011 at 1:48pm
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Keith and Sherri have volunteered to organisate this event.
WooHoo! Thanks K&S!
  Everyone else, bring your earplugs!
 We may be required to provide our own first-aiders. Is anyone intening to go to this event a qualified first-aider? Please let me know. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 1:06pm
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Some points to note. For those who haven't been before, it's at:
Palmer Park Sports Stadium
Wokingham Road READING RG6 1LF Map http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=51.451974,-0.937271&spn=0.003296,0.007371&t=h&z=17 - here
We're racing on Saturday. We have the track from 12.00. Please be there in time to sign on well before 12.00 so we can be ready to race straight away. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:49pm
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Any ideas on the race format?? ------------- |
Posted By: Wyndrake
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 8:36pm
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As I'll be in France rather tha Reading on the 18th, I would appreciate any feedback on whether visitors (Players or Spectators) turn up as a result of press articles placed this week and flyers in Colleges..... Thanks, Alan B. |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 6:36pm
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where will the signing in take place, in the carpark? or will it be track side? never been there before. Are people allowed to just go in and watch like before 12.00?Take care,
Barry ;-)
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 10:28am
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Since we won't be able to get track-side until some time between 11.30 and 12.00 and we would like to be ready to race from 12.00, I'd suggest we get signing on completed before we get on the track. Not sure if the car park or somewhere inside the sports centre will be best.
I wouldn't anticipate any problems with people spectating at the preceding stick-bike racing, either in the stands or outside the barriers around the outside of the track. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 12:36pm
| Thanks Adrian. |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 12:50pm
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Some or all of the stick-bike racers wil be juniors so if watching and tempted to take pictures, it would be best to ask permission first ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 1:17pm
| No Worries, I only needed to know, as I did not fancy getting there early and then having to wait about in the car park. |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:28am
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Can somebody please tell us the format for the racing on Saturday?? Keith/Sherri: Are you still ok to organise this event? ------------- |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 4:45pm
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As I'll be in France rather tha Reading on the 18th, I would appreciate any feedback on whether visitors (Players or Spectators) turn up as a result of press articles placed this week and flyers in Colleges.....quote from wyndrake
I'll try to cover that  ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:25pm
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Reading 18th June 2011: Everything you need to know (except any bits I've forgotten): Location:
Weather: After the track being throughly washed on Friday evening, the weather will be great - not too hot so those with full fairings will not over-heat, but with a bit of a wind to keep things interesting! Race kit: This will magically appear . . . (we hope!) Sign-on: The ferry gets in at 06:00, so we'll be there super early to setup the sign-on. The sign-on will be in the car with the sign-on sign parked to the left of the reception building. If you can sign-on as soon as you arrive, and bring something resembling the correct change (£7 for members, £10 for non members) this will help loads with the smoooooth running of things. Assembly & Fettling: This must be completed by 12:00 at the latest, so that you are ready to . . . Warm up on the track: The track will be available from 12:00 onwards, and you are encouraged to check your timing receiver box thingy is working and get some warmup laps in once the timing loop has been laid. Racing: We're aiming to make the most of the velodrome with an action packed value 4 money schedule: 12:30-13:30 Fastest lap (out of 3) 20% Each rider will get 3 laps, points awarded will be based on the time of the fastest lap. The inner part of the track will be used for this, and the riders will be started individually. The outer part of the track can be used for warming up and cooling down. 13:30-14:30 Heat 1 race 45mins+2lap 60% Mass start, and 45mins of riding + the length of time it takes for the leading rider to get back to the line. The next time they cross the line they (and everyone) else gets the bell, and the next time after that its the checkered flag and the race is finished. 14:30-15:30 Heat 2 race 45mins+2lap 60% Same as above 15:30-16:30 Devil takes the hindmost 20% Mass start, and on every lap, the last rider to cross the line is taken out of the race. The only rule is that you can't overtake the last rider. While you're not racing you may be asked to help out with marshaling, herding, waving things or checking things off a list - your help (no matter how small) will be much appreciated and, of course, incredibly rewarding! Finish: We lose the track at 16:30, so its had back your timing receiver thingy and head home. We will extract the results and get them posted as soon as possible as we head up to Scotland for theee birthday of the year! Looking forward to seeing you all there - don't forget your helmet, and a chain guard if you've not got a nose fairing. Keith Davis (Grande Frommage) Sherri Donaldson (Chief Commissaire) |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:27pm
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I have been in brief contact with Keith within the last week and, yes, they will be organisating, but I haven't had details of their programme of races. They have been on the road, of course, attending the Worlds, which won't have helped their ability to post details. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:45pm
They have now landed back in civilisation and posted a very comprehensive program of racing!!
Fingers crossed for the weather (especially the wind) behaving itself...
Just one comment on the race format... Those warming up/slowing down on the outside of the track will need to be very careful to avoid the peole on "hot" laps when they cross back to the middle, especially as most of us only have mirrors on the right...
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Adrian Setter wrote:Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:51pm
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Thanks for the comprehensive race programme. I would not recommend a devil though, we have tried them several times in the past and they always end up a disaster and arguments. Last time I remember us doing one was at lancaster, I stacked it on the bend just before the finish and while I was getting back on the bike someone (slash?) passed me and we could not make our mind up what should happen thus we ended up scrapping points for that race.
If we go by the rules, everyone should have stopped dead on the track and queued up behind me while I picked up my bike, lowered the gear, got back in it etc, Of course I was just around a blind bend thus the leader would have to have braked very hard to stop in time after noticing me there and possibly caused a pileup. It's unworkable. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 10:59pm
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Unfortunately due to problems at work that turned up this afternoon, I will have to be going to work over the weekend so the timing system will not be making it to Reading. Unless someone knows some really good magic? I'll try to make it down to Hog Hill though the best laid plans of mice & engineers and all that... ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 11:04pm
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Just a thought… What about sticking the timing system on a courier for a pre-12 delivery on Saturday at the Velodrome?? ------------- |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 11:23pm
One of the few perks of stepping forward to organise is that you get to choose the race format...
I think Devils have always been ok when we've run them on velodromes??
I agree they don't work very well on tracks with bends, largely because of the rule regarding not overtaking the person in last place... There was a disasterous Devil at Curborough a couple of years ago with one of the juniors (Sarah??) doing a superb job of going as slowly as possible and everybody else having to bunch up to avoid lapping her... There was very nearly a pile-up going into a corner...
Great fun to watch but I was really glad i wasn't in it!! ------------- |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 11:33pm
I really should learn how to type at a reasonable speed... ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 11:56pm
Hmmm, I've been reading some good reports about the timing system - but that all amounts to nothing if it can't be at a race!!! Is Alan's suggestion a go-er, or can it be left with, or picked up by, someone who is coming down to Reading? Any help will be much appreciated, Keith.
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 5:22am
| is there any way that in future the timing system can be left elswhere? It is a burden on gNick having to drive down south everytime, and it would mean in future that it would be available for eas(ier) delivery as there are many riders from the midlands south so passing to somebody who is attending is not too onerous. Just had a thought, does gNick have to have the system for uplaoding/downoading/tweaking etc? |
Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 8:25am
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Andrew and I can bring a computer to do the sign on etc and a camera to record the races but with no timing system, it will, sadly, be difficult to achieve Keith's idea of fastest laps.
We have the track until 4.30 but we do have to be off it by then and cleared away or they charge us more money.
Heather
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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 8:43am
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just one issue, last time we were there there were three races because the track is small and attendance might be large. ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 8:45am
Thanks Heather...
Who has the stopwatches/flags/bell/clock etc and will they make it to Hillingdon??
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 11:31am
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I have the flags and clock-board. Transport of the blue box (incl. stopwatches) from Stourport to Reading was arranged by Claire - I'm informed we have Jonathan to thank for this.
Alan - we're racing at Reading on Saturday, by the way
------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 11:53am
D'oh!!!! This old age thing isn't all it's cracked up to be...  ------------- |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 9:52pm
Yes, once it is working reliably, believe me I really want this to be the responsibility of the race organisers and NOT the sole responsibility of myself or any other single person. No I don't need the system to tweak the results but I do need it to be able to check any physical mods. Current plan is to hand it over to whoever is doing Scunthorpe after Preston and Lancaster weekend, so if someone would volunteer for that... I am waiting on some new improved (mostly smaller) bits from Kit and I would like to incorporate those to try and make the whole lot a bit more manageable. The current reader is also falling apart, I must have used second rate glue last time so that needs putting back together as well. I would also like to get the reader software simplified and modified to make that process easier. As it stands it is nearly there, just needs tidying up - as an analogy think an old, rather worn, non-indexed derailleur system against a new indexed setup, it works but you do need to know where to nudge it! I have also got to update the instructions so people other than myself or Kevin will be able to learn how to operate it. I will try and get together a set of real results so you all can have a go at setting up races and processing the data, so everyone will know how it is done. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: tincanracer
Date Posted: 18 June 2011 at 7:13pm
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What a briilaint day, well the racing not the weather! Thanks to all involved in organisating. Stuart #12  ------------- Laid Back in Spirit |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 18 June 2011 at 7:18pm
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Many thanks to Keith and Sherri (and everyone else who helped).
I've hosed the bike off but I'm still picking sand out of my teeth. The Devil was a great laugh in the end! Hope the weather is a bit better next week - 24 hour pedal car race... ------------- |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 19 June 2011 at 10:01am
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Ditto; Keith and Sherri did a fantastic job, Thank you. and the weather was perfect.
That was my first time on an oval track, and I thought I would hate it, turned out to be rather exhilarating, and the Devil was a Blast.
I slept like a baby last night.
Thank you
 Here are a few pictures, non of the fast race sorry.
http://picasaweb.google.com/Knotty.Bear/BHPCReading18062011 - http://picasaweb.google.com/Knotty.Bear/BHPCReading18062011
Take care,
Barry ;-)
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 19 June 2011 at 7:23pm
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A big thank you to Keith and Sherri for organising. Was a very tight schedule to fit 3 events in the limited time we had on the track, and then a 20min delay as the heavens opened, so well done!
Was great to see Miles's new Quattro for the first time. Slower race looked like fun towards the end of the race a peleton of about ten riders built up. Got stuck on the end of the faster race with Stuart to make up the numbers. Never been lapped so many times by so many riders. Good to see such a strong field of fast riders. Every time Mike B went passed he seemed to be followed by a yellow Ford Anglia?.
The devil went into confusion towards the end when Andrew S didn't realise he was last man and carried on racing for a few laps, but it all worked out in the end. ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 19 June 2011 at 7:33pm
There was a lot of interest at the start from the youths that had been racing at the track in the morning and a few of them hung around for a while to view the array of machinery. The viewing stand was pretty full also but was mostly friends and family sheltering from the rain. But I'm sure your efforts will pay dividends in the end. ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 8:27am
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Yes once again many thanks to Sherri and Keith for being selfless and organising for us all whilst not getting the chance to play out themselves.
I just have to hope the searing pain in my right calf goes down in time for Pennine X mountain bike marathon in 2 weeks time.
Hope to see you all at Hog Hill and apologies for dashing off so quickly but family commitments elsewhere meant I was pushing it on time.
Barney
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Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 10:47am
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Firstly, thanks to everyone who came along, especially those who helped out. Despite a drenching towards the end of the second race of the second round (at least the spectators stayed dry in the stadium!) all went reasonably to plan. In the absense of the new timing system, the old system was user - thanks to all the lap counters & Sherri! Some of the races were shortened to make this easier, and the results entered manually into the race spreadsheet/software. After much perseverance with the race sortware (including restraining myself from going to the discus part of the athlettics track to attempt a record on throwing a laptop!) and help from Kevin, Andrew and Sherri, the proposed results are now ready. I’m getting a bit of ear-ache from Sherri about the length of time this is taking, so I’ve not been able to confirm rider numbers and classes – let me know if there is anything a-miss.  |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 10:51am
. . . and both races in round 2:
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Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 10:55am
. . . and last but not least, the devil. Note that the time is approximate - the key part is the number of laps and the finish order for the top 3 riders:
 Comments, suggestions, corrections and bribes accepted in the normal manner!!!
(and no, I don't have a spelling checker on this laptop!)
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 1:08pm
Many thanks Keith!  Only thing that leaps out is that Sarah was fully faired and so not Sports, Street, or Part Faired, and Derek rode her bike for the 30 minute race, also fully faired... I think he was on the Hurricane for the other two rounds, just to add to the confusion... ------------- |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 4:27pm
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Also Miles wasn't riding a Quest... Although classes would be the same... ------------- |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 4:37pm
The ruling on this is that, if you ride machines of more than one class within the same race meeting, your class for the whole meeting is deemed to be that of the "fastest" machine (in other words, the one in the highest in the hierarchy of classes). Therefore, if Derek rode an Open-class machine in the 30-min race, his class for the entire meeting is Open.
This isn't to penalise anyone who uses more than one machine, but simply to keep the job of allocating points feasible! ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 5:34pm
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 5:35pm
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Well spotted! ------------- |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 8:12pm
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I think Fiona may be missing a lap - I'll check with her...
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Posted By: Fiona G
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 8:17pm
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Sorry folks, John, Sarah and Anne had all lapped me, Barney was ahead but had not gone past me and I had lapped Jonathan,so I think I must have done 37 laps. ------------- Secretary Riding on a new Velodynamics bike this year |
Posted By: Dave Tigwell
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:59am
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Regarding Reading results, Neil Flemming was stricken with the cramps during the fast race and finished 2 laps down on me.Needs to eat more salt with his pasties, perhaps? Dave T ------------- dave T |