Shrewsbury, 11th September
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Topic: Shrewsbury, 11th September
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Subject: Shrewsbury, 11th September
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 1:46pm
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Venue: Shrewsbury Sports Village
Sundorne Road
Sundorne
Shrewsbury
Shropshire
SY1 4RQ
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Lead Organisator: Ian Fardoe ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 8:12pm
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Anyone got any preference for racing format? 2x25min opposite directions or something else? |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 8:15pm
a good 100 miler please 
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 9:58pm
I would love to race Shrewsbury the same way round as the pedal car boys (it's a lot better...) but it has been said that it would not be safe to run at the pace of Slash and Howard that way around... Casey's 18th brthday party the night before so I am fairly unlikely to get there... I'll probably stick a bike in the back of the van on Saturday in case I wake up in time...  ------------- |
fards wrote:Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 10:45pm
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I've no idea, having never been. Do I need to check my brakes or something? I saw the circuit lap from Fards, but gives little impression of the speeds, or the gradients. /Anyone who saw Hog Hill races can probably say that both Slash and I have a reasonable command of our bikes... would it be more challenging than that or Curborough, say? |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 10:52pm
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There is a possibility that somebody losing control on the way into the hairpin could end up on the wrong side of the track and meeting somebody coming out of the other side of the hairpin... Personally I don't think it's any worse than Curborough but I know that others disagree and that is why we have never raced that way around (apart from a 1 lap time trial...)
The hairpin is likely to be challenging in the streamliner I would think whichever way around we go... ------------- |
Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 06 September 2011 at 9:00am
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Hairpin is fine on a Davies streamliner doing a left hand circiut. Can't comment on one with a right hand lap. However, I would strongly reccommend only doing left hand laps for a full race. "Normally" there are a set of uphill Esses to the start/finish line and a fairly gently downhill left onto the back straight. The other way round it is downhill through the esses and then a moderately tight left towards the hairpin. This is not a problem flatout, the issue is that if it goes wrong there is a 12 inch strip of grass between you and the oncomming people on the back straight. Not a nice thought. Anyway I will unfortunately not be there so I'm rulling myself out of any vote on this. Have fun, Neil |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 06 September 2011 at 10:01am
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As Neil F said, the problem with running clockwise would be the left-hander after the esses, downhill. Anyone losing it there is likely to end up on the opposite track, going the wrong way. If I remember correctly, there's even a tempting, tarmac-ed gap in the grass for someone in trouble and panicing to aim for. The prospect of a head-on between two riders at a closing speed of maybe 60mph isn't one I like to think about.
Also, clockwise, the hairpin is lacking in run-out though the worst case there is a rider going into the fence at 15mph. Not quite so scary, but something best avoided.
I'd put clockwise racing at Shrewsbury into the "too risky" box. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 1:34pm
Oh lovely... Still, early days yet.
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 7:12pm
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Looks ok to me! what you whinging about??
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Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 7:40pm
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well if Andrew's post did not help to change my mind about racing this weekend my BIG OFF in the wet this morning on route to work did!!! [8( |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 11:32pm
Hope you are okay Graham 
------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 8:17am
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as it looks even less likely that I'm going to be racing this weekend, I'd be quite happy to organise a 100 miler for you.. Actually that sounds a lot more tempting than 45mins but maybe not the track for it. Tt may not be pleasant standing around waiting for your turn, if we don't get a huge turnout does a single race of 90 mins with everyone in it appeal? That way don't get cold and wet watching the "other race", younger riders can do a shorter span if they want to? Any better suggestions? Better |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 9:10am
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I think a mass start would be okay if not many people turn up Ian, but could get a bit congested with 40+ bikes going at different speeds? Worked well at Redbridge, but we only had 18 riders. I would think maybe 25 would be okay. What do the faster guys think? ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Paul Goodwin
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 9:28am
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I'm not exactly one of the fast guys but I'd be up for a mass start race, the one area I can see some potential for interesting moments might be the approach to the hairpin, some jostling for racing line might be a touch entertaining.
25 strikes me as being perfectly manageable. As long as there aren't any repeats of last year's Unfortunate Scotsman award winning accident anyway! |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 9:47am
thanks Geoff, bike is fine and I'm taking at least today in a more horizontal positon on the couch (sitting is a little uncomfortable  )thanks to Fards, the 100miler might be a little far now  for this weekend in any light.
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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 12:05am
I'd like to "get some miles in", so a longer one is good with me. I don't know the track, but I'm as happy overtaking people as I am waiting back. In a longer race one can take their time to do so in safety. 120* min(*we have an odd tradition of shortening races at the last second when lined up on the startline) Fowlmead pursuaded me to fit full mudguards! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 9:52am
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I agree with Geoff. A single race would be OK if not many turn up - I'd say 25 was the uppermost limit you'd want on that track and closer to 20 would be more comfortable. I'd definitely vote for a longer race in that case, as Howard says, so you can be more relaxed about hanging back - 90 mins sounds about right. As a mere two-wheeler I actually find trikes more of a problem than slower riders on a crowded track because they often do funny stuff on the bends (and I'm not just talking about Ian's broadside manouevre at Lancaster). Anyway, things seem to be looking up:  |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 2:14pm
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I agree with previous posts: 25 should be the absolute maximum and 20 more like the ideal number.
A piece of good news: the leisure centre definitely knows we're coming! ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 8:59pm
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I have most of the timing system (i.e. the lead-lined case with the tags and, crucially, the battery charger) which I shall be taking to Shrewsbury. Does anyone know where the aerial is? Since I have the charger it may be difficult to charge the aerial battery before Shrewsbury, even assuming it can be found. |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 9:12pm
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I'll bring a spare (charged) battery.
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 9:44pm
As a superior 3 wheel rider i find two wheeled wobblying and weeving around bends and swerving cos of a puff of wind kind of funny!!! But for Shrewsbury, here is an idea of how i hope to race. fast down the hill, go to outside of track and brake hard for the hairpin, crawl around the hairpin on the outside (hopefully on three wheels) then crawl up the hill, inside line for the top bend then fast again! Of course if we are doing a long race the fast bits will become slow and the crawl up the hill be a slow one!
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 9:58pm
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Shame on you Ian: planning for a race is almost as great a sin as training in the BHPC. But if you insist, don't forget to factor in the predicted 20mph tailwind down the hill into the hairpin to add to the fun (and, of course, the 20mph headwind coming out of it). |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 10:01pm
Which will mean a 20MPH crosswind in the middle of the hairpin of course.
Have we got plenty of bandages in the first aid kit?
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 10:06pm
All the tags woke up as they should, had a nice little play together, and are all now tuckled up again for the night. No 31 is bit of a snorer. I hope he doesn't disturb the others or they'll be grumpy as anything by Sunday. |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 10 September 2011 at 9:50am
funny! when i put both batteries on to charge before Fowlmead they charger went straight to indicating full charge! 
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 10 September 2011 at 9:58am
Ah the forewarning was for faster two wheeled wobblers like yourself so you know my intentions, so if you plough into me like you did Mike B it will be your fault not mine!  I probably wouldn't notice being bumped as i will be in something resembling a beached whale (Cycle vision write up)!!Wind - Pah, no worries! gradients (up) is what i fear! |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 2:44pm
First stab at results
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Posted By: Paul Goodwin
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 3:11pm
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Throughly enjoyable race today, 90 minutes with the amount of riders worked without any real hitches as far as I could see, apologies to anybody I may have got a little close to in the bottom hairpin!
I think a 90 minute with a full racetrack is a definite one to consider if we end up with another smaller turnout at Shrewsbury in future. Thanks to everyone who organised, as well as gNick for enormously quick result posting, even with several issues to iron out. |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 5:15pm
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Looks ok to me eh Andrew? Thanks to Fards for turning out even though obviously not a well young man, and gNick for another techie session. I have to say i enjoyed today, blooming hrad work, and my legs are sore! |
Posted By: Challenge Gus
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 7:28pm
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Thanks to the organisators and the weather gods for a great event. Congratulations to Paul G, outstanding result today. I enjoyed the 90 minute format. It was a lot more interesting having a greater number of riders on the track at the same time. It was my first time at Shrewsbury and I really liked the track, especially the hairpin! Hope Dave T's left buttock gets well soon. ------------- Should I buy some more trick bits for the Furai or just buy Optima High Baron....... |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 8:11pm
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Well pleased with that, especially as we were at a party til 1:30 am this morning! Thanks to Ian and gNick from Fiona and me for the flawless organisation, and Fiona says thanks to Graham for providing liquid refreshment during the race. ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Wyndrake
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 9:23pm
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Having reflected on today over a bottle of Merlot, I'm pretty sure I enjoyed it.... (and the racing!) My thanks to Ian and Nick for organisating and to Judith for a couple of tows and Dave Tigwell for his spare Cornish banana. Alan B. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 9:43pm
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Thanks Fards and gNick for your sterling work. It was a good choice to get it done and dusted before weather happened. On reflection, it was quite hairy for me on a track of that width with closing speeds of up to 20mph on "traffic". I could run into the back of riders at the exit of the bends who hadn't even been picked up on my radar as I approached the bend. The lookback function was interesting if only to see who I had just cut up. Hope there's not too many people waking tonight from a nightmare being huricaned out of Shropshire in a tumbleweed comprising a small BHPC crowd, fairings and whole bikes lifting themselves off the ground and machinations of an erratic shark mouth. |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 10:55pm
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tbh Yowie watching you from the top of the hairpin, you were possibly one of the "politest" overtakers out there today... havent checked to see if any of the videos I recorded on the phone worked yet.
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 9:23am
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My special thanks go to gNick and Graham S-T for their speedy and expert assistance with my chain derailment. Unlike most sensible bikes, when the chain comes off the idler on a Ratracer (at least one of the later models) it involves a considerable amount of stripping down and rebuilding to get it back on. I am especially grateful to Graham for laying down his cloak, Walter-Raleigh style, to protect my knees while I squirmed about on the surprisingly spiky tarmac. Thanks also to Ian for the single midi-race format, and to whoever was responsible for the weather. Both together made a interesting race with lots to think about. |
Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 10:09am
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Hi Folks
thanks for a nice day out again sorry had to leave early good to see everyone again and I know it's early but happy christmas to one and all as I will not be coming to Hillingdon, thanks for all the support , thanks to Neil for the cobra just got to learn to ride it ,and hope to see you next year and hopefully give you a run for your money here are a selection of photo's from the race : http://www.flickr.com/photos/recumbents/" rel="nofollow - http://www.flickr.com/photos/recumbents/ enjoy.
Jeff. ------------- when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 11:26am
Just enough for me to beat you  Hee-hee!! Good old BurrowsCorp Ninety minutes are manageable (just about) by the, er, occasional cyclist, and having the track fairly well occupied made them interesting and challenging - Good Call by the organisators. To whom muchas gracias! |
Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 12:53pm
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I'd just like to add my thanks and gratitude to the organisers. Good call on the race format although I doubt it would have been as safe if we'd had a train of ratracers or a couple of extra streamliners.
My only worrying moments were when Howard overtook me through the S bend up to the start finish, unfortunately as you concentrate on your own corners you tend not to spot him in the mirror.
Looking forward to seeing some of the hairpin photo's / videos.
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Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 9:12pm
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gNick,
Thank you for getting the results so quickly. One comment: Rob Hague vehicle and class are not correct; he was racing a full faired trike, so he should be only in O/Mf.
On a separate note, I really enjoy the race yesterday. It was nice to have more people on the circuit and race for longer time. ------------- John Lucian |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 9:24pm
So he was, thanks for pointing that out, will update. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 13 September 2011 at 8:12am
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Only managed four pictures with people in them (nearly)! Quite a long shutter delay on my phone. .. Videos look better, will upload them later https://picasaweb.google.com/ian.fardoe/BhpcShrewsbury2011?authuser=0&feat=directlink" rel="nofollow - picasaweb photos |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 14 September 2011 at 12:36pm
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Some snippets of videos from Shrewsbury : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamTtQtceGo " rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pamTtQtceGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btuu5tazf4s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btuu5tazf4s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkhd0gL_ZCA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkhd0gL_ZCA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsjaZNGpdq0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsjaZNGpdq0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTR9GvyMSr8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTR9GvyMSr8 |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 14 September 2011 at 10:54pm
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Thanks for the vids Ian - it looks a lot slower watching it than it feels doing it
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