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Topic: Lancaster results
Posted By: Yanto
Subject: Lancaster results
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 6:42pm
Had a look at my videos from both races.
 
I did 20 laps in first race and was lapped once by Slash and Lee.
 
In 2nd race I did 20 laps and was lapped once by Slash, Twed and Lee.
 
hope that helps!



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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 02 August 2012 at 8:17am

Should have added that i finished ahead of Twed in first race, lapped everybody else. Second race i lapped everybody else.



Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 2:50pm
I'm happy (and not a little relieved) to present the long-delayed results for Lancaster. Many thanks are due to Kevin and Adrian (for solving various tag-related conundra), Jon and Anne (for the missing times) and Katie (for the missing laps), without whom none of the following would have been possible.

Race 1 (1st fast race):

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Steve Slade Beano O 21 32:29.30 31.2
2 Lee Wakefield Milan SL O/Mf 21 33:15.30 30.5
3 Ian Perry Wobbly Bob O/Mf 20 32:37.52 29.6
4 Derek Tweddle Yellowdonkey O 20 32:50.58 29.4
5 Eddie Robbins Rome O 20 34:05.09 28.3
6 Miles Kingsbury Quattro O/Mf 19 32:56.08 27.9
7 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake O/P 19 32:57.22 27.8
8 Mike Burrows RatRacer B2 O/P 19 32:58.00 27.8
9 Claire King Number 50 O/L 18 33:27.30 26
10 Adrian Setter Ratracer O/P 18 34:02.59 25.5
11 Rob Hague Evokate O/Mf/M 17 32:31.80 25.2
12 Neil Fleming nocom O/P/U 17 33:29.30 24.5
13 Howard Yeomans Trice Micro O/P/Mf/M 16 32:50.90 23.5
14 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 16 34:28.19 22.4
15 John Lucian Fair Sprint O/P/Mf/M 16 34:41.19 22.3
16 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T7 O/St 15 33:23.69 21.7
17 Graham Sparey-Taylor Quattro O/Mf/M 15 33:25.78 21.7
18 Simon Sanderson AV-ACG O 11 34:00.40 15.6


Race 2 (first slow race):

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Joseph Parker HPV Heaven T7 O/St 16 34:06.50 22.6
2 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 16 34:53.19 22.1
3 Alan Goodman Kingcycle O/P/U/St/S 15 35:04.60 20.6
4 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 15 35:04.60 20.6
5 Barney Harle Rapto O/P/U 15 35:08.10 20.6
6 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 15 35:12.66 20.6
7 Joe Ladkin Mason King O/P 15 35:39.89 20.3
8 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/U/L/Lp 15 35:49.89 20.2
9 Chris Wilson Trice QNT O/P/U/Mf/M 15 36:06.60 20
10 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 15 36:12.51 20
11 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 13 35:25.00 17.7
12 Steve Armstrong Buanbdd O/P/U/St/S 13 35:26.80 17.7
13 Bev Ashton Quattro O/L/Mf/M 12 34:49.69 16.6
14 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 11 34:58.09 15.2
15 Ian Andrew Force R  O/P/U/Mf/M/A 11 36:32.65 14.5
16 George Harle Velodynamics Mk1 O/P/St/S/J 10 35:13.30 13.7
17 Giovanni Strawbridge Handcycle O/Mf/M/A 10 35:31.60 13.6

Round 2 races to follow.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 2:54pm
Race 3 (2nd fast race):

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Steve Slade Beano O 21 32:08.59 31.5
2 Derek Tweddle Yellowdonkey O 21 32:22.19 31.3
3 Lee Wakefield Milan SL O/Mf 21 33:24.80 30.3
4 Eddie Robbins Rome O 19 32:33.58 28.2
5 Mike Burrows RatRacer B2 O/P 19 32:44.69 28
6 Miles Kingsbury Quattro O/Mf 19 32:44.80 28
7 Ian Perry Wobbly Bob O/Mf 20 34:32.25 28
8 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake O/P 19 33:04.39 27.7
9 Claire King Number 50 O/L 18 32:43.58 26.6
10 Rob Hague Evokate O/Mf/M 18 33:03.19 26.3
11 Adrian Setter Ratracer O/P 18 33:42.80 25.8
12 Neil Fleming nocom O/P/U 17 33:32.00 24.5
13 Howard Yeomans Trice Micro O/P/Mf/M 16 33:02.58 23.4
14 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 15 32:47.00 22.1
15 John Lucian Fair Sprint O/P/Mf/M 15 32:52.30 22


Race 4 (2nd slow race):

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 15 33:04.18 21.9
2 Joseph Parker HPV Heaven T7 O/St 15 33:04.80 21.9
3 Barney Harle Rapto O/P/U 14 33:10.00 20.4
4 Alan Goodman Kingcycle O/P/U/St/S 14 33:12.19 20.3
5 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 14 33:13.09 20.3
6 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/U/L/Lp 14 33:21.59 20.2
7 Chris Wilson Trice QNT O/P/U/Mf/M 14 33:36.00 20.1
8 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 13 33:20.23 18.8
9 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 13 33:30.76 18.7
10 Joe Ladkin Mason King O/P 13 33:34.58 18.7
11 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 13 33:37.00 18.7
12 Steve Armstrong Buanbdd O/P/U/St/S 12 35:47.67 16.2
13 Ian Andrew Force R  O/P/U/Mf/M/A 11 34:42.55 15.3
14 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 10 34:41.50 13.9
15 Bev Ashton Quattro O/L/Mf/M 9 34:50.00 12.4
16 George Harle Velodynamics Mk1 O/P/St/S/J 9 35:31.30 12.2



Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 2:58pm
So the final results for the day:

Pos Name Bike Name Class MPH O P U L Lp St S Mf M J A
1 Steve Slade Beano O 31 1                    
2 Lee Wakefield Milan SL O/Mf 30 2





1

 
3 Derek Tweddle Yellowdonkey O 30 3








 
4 Eddie Robbins Rome O 28 4








 
5 Ian Perry Wobbly Bob O/Mf 29 5





2

 
6 Miles Kingsbury Quattro O/Mf 28 6





2

 
7 Mike Burrows RatRacer B2 O/P 28 7 1







 
8 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake O/P 28 8 1







 
9 Claire King Number 50 O/L 26 9

1





 
10 Rob Hague Evokate O/Mf/M 26 10





4 1
 
10 Adrian Setter Ratracer O/P 26 10 3







 
12 Neil Fleming nocom O/P/U 25 12 4 1






 
13 Howard Yeomans Trice Micro O/P/Mf/M 23 13 5




5 2
 
14 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 22 14 6 2



6 3
 
15 Joseph Parker HPV Heaven T7 O/St 22 15



1



 
16 John Lucian Fair Sprint O/P/Mf/M 22 16 7




7 4
 
17 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 22 17

2




1  
18 Alan Goodman Kingcycle O/P/U/St/S 21 18 8 3

2 1


 
19 Barney Harle Rapto O/P/U 21 19 9 4






 
20 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 21 20 10 5

3 2


 
21 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/U/L/Lp 20 21 11 6 3 1




 
22 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 20 22

3





 
23 Chris Wilson Trice QNT O/P/U/Mf/M 20 23 13 7



8 5
 
24 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T7 O/St 11 24



6



 
24 Joe Ladkin Mason King O/P 20 24 12







 
26 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 19 26 14







 
27 Graham Sparey-Taylor Quattro O/Mf/M 11 27





13 10
 
28 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 18 28 15 8 5 2

9 6
 
29 Steve Armstrong Buanbdd O/P/U/St/S 17 29 16 9

4 3


 
30 Bev Ashton Quattro O/L/Mf/M 15 30

6


11 8
 
31 Ian Andrew Force R  O/P/U/Mf/M/A 15 31 17 10



10 7
1
32 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 15 32 17 10 6 3

11 8
 
33 George Harle Velodynamics Mk1 O/P/St/S/J 13 33 19


5 4

2  
34 Simon Sanderson AV-ACG O 8 34








 
35 Giovanni Strawbridge Handcycle O/Mf/M/A 7 35             14 11   2

Let the quibbling commence!



Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 3:23pm
Please can you check Bev Ashton's second race, it does not tie up with the GPS data.

"just run over the gps, and shown 10sec longer but 12 laps"

Also there seems to be no time listed for my second race.
We also perhaps ought to be listed o/mf although my second race was just an O

Thanks
Gd


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 4:07pm

3rd race i did 20 laps and was ahead of Eddie.  Only affects the points "O" .



Posted By: eddie
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 5:31pm
I agree. I didn't pass you during the race, alas you were always ahead of me.

Ed.


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 6:06pm
Evokate is not M. Geek


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

3rd race i did 20 laps and was ahead of Eddie.  Only affects the points "O" .
Wasn't at the race but it is possible Ian if you did a slower last lap - average lap speed is used in results - Which is what is implied by the results published.


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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

3rd race i did 20 laps and was ahead of Eddie.  Only affects the points "O" .

 
Just realised that it also makes me 2nd MF and Miles 3rd, NOT joint 2nd.


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by KevinJ KevinJ wrote:

Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

3rd race i did 20 laps and was ahead of Eddie.  Only affects the points "O" .
Wasn't at the race but it is possible Ian if you did a slower last lap - average lap speed is used in results - Which is what is implied by the results published.
 
Nope i was flat out all through the race, finished 4th, after being lapped by Slash, Twed and Lee in that order - i have the video to prove it!
 
My time should be 33min 32 sec, not 34min 32 sec, Eddie, Mike and Miles were behind me. (edited as i've just watched video again, i did 20 laps in 33:32)


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

3rd race i did 20 laps and was ahead of Eddie.  Only affects the points "O" .

Originally posted by eddie eddie wrote:

I agree. I didn't pass you during the race, alas you were always ahead of me.
As Kevin says, this looks like a classic split-by-the-winner case:
  • Ian crosses the line on 19 laps, ahead of Eddie (and Slash)
  • 32:08 - Slash crosses the line to win
  • 32:33 - Eddie crosses the line to finish on 19 laps (1:42.8/lap)
  • 34:32 - Ian goes on to complete 20 laps (1:43.1/lap)
Ian's average speed is less then Eddie's, so Eddie comes out ahead.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

My time should be 33min 32 sec, not 34min 32 sec, Eddie, Mike and Miles were behind me. (edited as i've just watched video again, i did 20 laps in 33:32)
In that case there's a dispute with the stopwatch times, which show you as 34:30.30, corrected by 1.96s to 34:32.25. Unfortunately yours was one of the 8 tags which didn't wake up, so the stopwatch time is all I have. [The 1.96s correction is required to align the stopwatch times with the tag times which were recorded.]


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 10:19pm
well i can prove it was 33:32...... stop watch reading for me is incorrect. 
 
 
Just had a look at video, i cross the line just after Neil, passing him just after start finish line,  Is someone getting their figures mixed up?
 
 


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 10:54pm
Ok just had yet another look at my video, Lee crossed the line approximatey 8 seconds ahead of me, with one lap more.
 
I'm afraid your stop watch reading/recording is WRONG!


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

I'm afraid your stop watch reading/recording is WRONG!
The stopwatch times agree with the tag times for the 10 working tags in that race, so there is no general problem. However I have a complete trackside video of race 3 so I shall check the finish times for the other riders, including you, before the results are finalised.


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 04 August 2012 at 11:14pm
Many thanks to Andrew, Kevin and Adrian for sorting out the results. I'm happy with my result if not my performance, although I did sneak past Graham on the last lap by staying in his mirror blind-spot Smile.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 9:15am
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:

Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

I'm afraid your stop watch reading/recording is WRONG!
The stopwatch times agree with the tag times for the 10 working tags in that race, so there is no general problem. However I have a complete trackside video of race 3 so I shall check the finish times for the other riders, including you, before the results are finalised.
 
So what i've been sying from the start of this thread is not to be believed?  I have no need to lie! Guilty until proven otherwise?
 
If the tag data was corrupt for a lot of them, and there is an eronious result - MINE! I would have thought looking at the video would have been next step before posting results!
 
I give up! put me where you want. Angry


Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 10:02am
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:


Many thanks to Andrew, Kevin and Adrian for sorting out the results. I'm happy with my result if not my performance, although I did sneak past Graham on the last lap by staying in his mirror blind-spotĀ Smile.


    is all i can say!!!!


in terms of Yantos tag can we check that it was not crystal drift? it is possible and if he's result seems out to his video and race order would suggest it to me. I understand these use external crystals, and have had new batteries resently, so should be stable, but it only takes small Vcc drop and the clock phasing will be out.

the race was 33.08.59 which in the life of the boxes is LONG TIME!!!
every 1sec the crystal dose (and please here don't recall the exact crystal in the box but) say 3.27Mhz that is 3270000 so thats one count every 3.125 micro secs......... the PICs in the box divid by four the clock frequency so one count every 12.5 microsec......
in the time of the race there for the box counts and sorts aorund 154million 240Thousand counts ish or div by 4 38.5million ish.
these things on freqency or accuract!!! afterall you all run you day by them on albe it they generally use 32Khz clocks.

however, these things just like your watch when the Vcc is is low drift and as it is clear a few count dift over 30min can make a time wrong.

perhaps Yanto could post a first and last shot showing timing from his video. (ps these work on crystals to so could be out too )

looking at the timings from his statment he should have come in on the shoulder of Neil Flemming and as a time ref should show Lee in the distance crossing the line some 10sec ahead.


Andrew did you gat chance to check Bev Ashton's laps? the gps show 12 laps in 10 seconds longer time.
and have you a time for my 3rd race yet, I dont expect points in MF as I raced only an open class vehical.



I echo GB comment resorting results, and to all for setting up the weekend it was good to catch-up with so many faces.

rgd
gst






Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 10:46am
I'm fairly sure that me, Barney and Leo lapped Anne just before the end of the first slow race and she then rode with us until the finish.
 
Fiona was on the same lap as us so would have been in front of Anne for the Ladies points I think?
 
Can somebody confirm this please?


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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 11:32am
Can we calm down a bit here. There are some mistakes and some of the results take a while to get right. 

Believe it of not people do this in their spare time and it does take quite a lot of time. It would be good if it was appreciated. 

So can we all take a deep breath before posting please.  Smile


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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 11:37am
Kevin J wrote: "Believe it of not people do this in their spare time and it does take quite a lot of time. It would be good if it was appreciated. So can we all take a deep breath before posting please.  Smile  LIKE

Could it be that Ian's stopwatch time was for the end of his warm-down lap? Having helped with the finish order in the slow race, I know it can be difficult to know if someone has finished or not.

Alan - I'll check with Fiona.


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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed


Posted By: Fiona G
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

I'm fairly sure that me, Barney and Leo lapped Anne just before the end of the first slow race and she then rode with us until the finish.
 
Fiona was on the same lap as us so would have been in front of Anne for the Ladies points I think?
 
Can somebody confirm this please?

I can confirm this, You all sprinted away form me Cry, and Anne was a lap down, and she went over the line just after you and about 20 metres in front of me, so we would have been on the same lap but I was a lap up, if you see what I mean




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Secretary

Riding on a new Velodynamics bike this year


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by KevinJ KevinJ wrote:

Can we calm down a bit here. There are some mistakes and some of the results take a while to get right. 

Believe it of not people do this in their spare time and it does take quite a lot of time. It would be good if it was appreciated. 

So can we all take a deep breath before posting please.  Smile
 
I do appreciate it, that is why as soon as it was mentioned that my tag did not work, despite working 60hrs in 4 days last week, i thought i could help the process and in my spare time - what little there was of it look through my video of the entire race and give how many laps I did, who passsed me, and when, also when seeing what time had been given  to me do it all again to give a time and who finished in front of me and by what margin....


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

My time should be 33min 32 sec, not 34min 32 sec, Eddie, Mike and Miles were behind me. (edited as i've just watched video again, i did 20 laps in 33:32)
I've now taken everyone's finish times from the trackside video and your time should be 33:36.31, not 34:32.26 as originally posted. The trackside video time is calibrated against the 11 tags which were working in that race, so is measured from when the first person crossed the line at the start. This may account for the discrepancy of 4.31s compared to your video.

My apologies for this error which was probably due to a typo in the sheet of finish times I got from Jon and Anne.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by graydog graydog wrote:

Please can you check Bev Ashton's second race, it does not tie up with the GPS data.

"just run over the gps, and shown 10sec longer but 12 laps"

Also there seems to be no time listed for my second race.
We also perhaps ought to be listed o/mf although my second race was just an O

Agreed:
  • Bev Ashton's tag missed 3 laps during her second race so should be 12, not 9.
  • Your tag didn't work at all at Lancaster. Your result for the second race was 15 laps in 33:47.41.
Commissaire's ruling is that rider's using multiple machines at one event only gain points in the common classes which in this case is 'O'.

Fixes will appear shortly in Lancaster Results v2.0.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

I'm fairly sure that me, Barney and Leo lapped Anne just before the end of the first slow race and she then rode with us until the finish.
 
Fiona was on the same lap as us so would have been in front of Anne for the Ladies points I think?
Agreed: both Anne C's and Jon C's laps should be 14, not 15. My typ0 entering the results - sorry!


Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:


Originally posted by graydog graydog wrote:

Please can you check Bev Ashton's second race, it does not tie up with the GPS data.

"just run over the gps, and shown 10sec longer but 12 laps"

Also there seems to be no time listed for my second race.
We also perhaps ought to be listed o/mf although my second race was just an O

Agreed:
  • Bev Ashton's tag missed 3 laps during her second race so should be 12, not 9.
  • Your tag didn't work at all at Lancaster. Your result for the second race was 15 laps in 33:47.41.
Commissaire's ruling is that rider's using multiple machines at one event only gain points in the common classes which in this case is 'O'.

Fixes will appear shortly in Lancaster Results v2.0.



very kind of you.... I was not expecting points in the second race as was not in Q2.... and dang the young Tweddle beat me on her own bike

thanks
Gd


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Yowie Yowie wrote:

Evokate is not M. Geek
Agreed: Both Rob Hague and Bev Ashton (Quattro) should be stripped of their 'M's.


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:

Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

My time should be 33min 32 sec, not 34min 32 sec, Eddie, Mike and Miles were behind me. (edited as i've just watched video again, i did 20 laps in 33:32)
I've now taken everyone's finish times from the trackside video and your time should be 33:36.31, not 34:32.26 as originally posted. The trackside video time is calibrated against the 11 tags which were working in that race, so is measured from when the first person crossed the line at the start. This may account for the discrepancy of 4.31s compared to your video.

My apologies for this error which was probably due to a typo in the sheet of finish times I got from Jon and Anne.
 
Thank you for the effort required to rectify;  my concern was about the number of points which would have/will be awarded, i need every single one i'm entitled to!


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 05 August 2012 at 10:22pm
Well Done Andrew Clap  

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Windcheetah


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 06 August 2012 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:

As Kevin says, this looks like a classic split-by-the-winner case:
  • Ian crosses the line on 19 laps, ahead of Eddie (and Slash)
  • 32:08 - Slash crosses the line to win
  • 32:33 - Eddie crosses the line to finish on 19 laps (1:42.8/lap)
  • 34:32 - Ian goes on to complete 20 laps (1:43.1/lap)
Ian's average speed is less then Eddie's, so Eddie comes out ahead.
 
I'm hopeful that subsequent corrections to Ian's time have fixed this anomaly already but, for the record, I don't agree that the circumstance above means Eddie is the winner.  Yes, the software does work that way - and needs to to cope with our practice of splitting races into heats - but it would be perverse to deem someone who was behind someone else in the same race the winner.  Within a race, more laps trumps average speed.  On the rare occasions the anomaly has occurred (I can only call to mind one previous one) we've fooled the software into assigning the right ranking by adjusting the time of the rider who did more laps downwards by a few seconds.


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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 06 August 2012 at 1:23pm
This can (only?) occur when the winner splits two closely-matched riders on the line, then the rider in front slows down enough on the extra lap to bring their average speed down below that of the rider behind. I too can only remember this happening once before so probably isn't worth a special rule.


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 06 August 2012 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by Adrian Adrian wrote:

I'm hopeful that subsequent corrections to Ian's time have fixed this anomaly already but, for the record, I don't agree that the circumstance above means Eddie is the winner.  Yes, the software does work that way - and needs to to cope with our practice of splitting races into heats - but it would be perverse to deem someone who was behind someone else in the same race the winner.  Within a race, more laps trumps average speed.  On the rare occasions the anomaly has occurred (I can only call to mind one previous one) we've fooled the software into assigning the right ranking by adjusting the time of the rider who did more laps downwards by a few seconds.
 Yes - it is not so much the software but the fact that to add up the effective heats (which may themselves be different times, average speed must be used (you cannot use distance for that, since we don't do a set number of laps).  So we could fiddle it outside- but difficult to see that the software would ever be able to cope with that scenario.  Would become even more of a nightmare if this was close to someone's average speed in the next race (shouldn't be relevant to this one but...)   I seem to remember the last time it occurred we didn't correct it either -  believe that was Rob Hague at that time - or my memory is going - which is probably more likely.

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Windcheetah


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 06 August 2012 at 2:56pm
It happened a few years ago (2007 or 2008?) at Preston.  My recollection is that NeilF (at that time in the machine we now know as Yello Donkey) lapped me just before his finish, but not Simon Sanderson.  We had to shave a couple of seconds off Simon's time to give him a win over me.

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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 08 August 2012 at 12:17am
Photos:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.331990843559227.76505.100002449429968&type=1&l=9e49553b11

High res available @10MB each.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 2:06pm
The final http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events12/lancaster-12.html" rel="nofollow - Lancaster results and current http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events12/tables12.html" rel="nofollow - Championship Table are now available on the website.

Thanks to Kevin for posting up.


Posted By: SteveArmstrong
Date Posted: 14 August 2012 at 11:32pm
I seem to have slipped down the Lancaster results table a bit in round 1 race 2. My average now reads 9.5 mph. After Stourport this will arguably put me in first place for this years 'showed most improvement' award, but I should probably own up and mention that the preliminary results had me down as 17.7 mph, which was in the ball park of my speedo.

Best, Steve


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When you pull the cats tail, you get the whole cat.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 9:55am
Steve - you're quite right, you should have had 13 laps in the first race. The fixed results should be posted on the website sometime soon.

Your tag was up and down like something that goes up and down a lot, so your laps come from Katie's tally sheet, not the tag. However the tag did manage to record your finish time, so it didn't stand out as an obvious failure when the results were recalculated and re-entered to add them to the Preston results (to get the Championship Table).

Incidentally, this recalculation is the reason why some finish times are different by a few seconds from those posted earlier on the forum, though not enough to change any positions. We found that not all the tags were synchronised together, so weren't all telling the same time. Kevin's tag-processing software now takes this into account so the new times are the right ones.


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 15 August 2012 at 6:22pm
The end of the second slow race (Sarah vs Joe Parker) is now here:
http://youtu.be/VrlUcsQmilE" rel="nofollow - http://youtu.be/VrlUcsQmilE
Many thanks to Dave Sparrow.


Posted By: SteveArmstrong
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 7:01pm
Cheers Andrew.

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When you pull the cats tail, you get the whole cat.


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 16 August 2012 at 7:59pm
Has anyone got photos of the fast race to share please?



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