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Topic: 2013 Calendar
Posted By: Andrew S
Subject: 2013 Calendar
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 9:22pm
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Before I start booking circuits for next season, are there any dates/events I might not know about that should be avoided? I already know about the BPCC events, the HPV Worlds, Cyclevision, the CTC York Rally, the Jersey Town Criterium and the NEC Cycle Show. Also are there any new circuits that we should try (or old favourites we haven't been to for a few years)? I already know about http://www.cyclopark.com/" rel="nofollow - Cyclopark near Gravesend, but that's about it. Many thanks - Andrew (Comp Sec) |
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 October 2012 at 9:55pm
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How about Milton Keynes? It would have to be a Saturday I think as they have a market there on Sundays... ------------- |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 7:29am
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There was a topic started about this a few weeks ago, see http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/tracks-for-2013_topic4734.html We have not used curbrough for a while (the oppertunity to use it the day after a pedalcar race has been offered). Also how about: London velodrome? Failing london, Mancester. Blyton Park? Coltishall airfield? (Ask Hadden for more details) Blenheim Palace? Ixworth (http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/bentwaters-come-and-try-it_topic2103.html) ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 7:37am
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Curborough is already booked. :o) Blenheim Palace messed Adrian around a lot unfortunately. Welwyn velodrome may be worth another look. Just thinking about some of the tacks the pedal cars race on, Blackbushe is good and so is Solihull (although there are insurance issues there). Bruntingthorpe is a great little circuit. ------------- |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 9:24am
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Mildenhall Rally is always August Bank Holiday, and some of our members, especially the East Anglian contingent, like to go to that.
Downsides of the indoor velodromes are cost, difficulty of getting a weekend, daytime slot and the fact that the steepness effectively excludes some or our riders, such as the slower trikes (including handcyclists).
Welwyn was rather bumpy last time we went. It may or may not have improved.
Reading is OK, but I couldn't get a date this year. If booking on a Saturday, watch out for the standing booking that the local club have; they double-booked us last time.
If I didn't mention it already, if you want Lancaster for a Saturday, get in early: someone else got in first with a block booking this year.
IMHO the circuit we were given on our last trip to Milton Keynes was unsafe due to the nature of the trackside vegetation. I have sea-buckthorn in my hedge at home - it's vicious stuff - and those with long memories may recall how wimpy my cornering was that day, even though this was long before I rather lost my nerve more generally.
I'd go to Shrewsbury if the netball tournament was on  ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 9:24am
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P.S. feel free to PM/email if there's anything specific I can help with ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:25pm
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LeeW wrote:Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 1:30pm
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Posted By: Hedgehog
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 5:18pm
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There is a track in Portsmouth - not very challenging but there to consider - I do not think the charge is very high. There is one advantage it is also floodlit - I am sure you would also have access to the showers etc.. in the leisure centre.
From the air : http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&pq=+mountbatten+centre&cp=19&gs_id=1jv&xhr=t&q=mountbatten+leisure+centre&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=36601534&biw=945&bih=610&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl" rel="nofollow - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&pq=+mountbatten+centre&cp=19&gs_id=1jv&xhr=t&q=mountbatten+leisure+centre&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=36601534&biw=945&bih=610&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Website : http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/living/6837.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/living/6837.html
The track is 535 meter outdoor velodrome - frommemory it is not banked much at all - you can see a few pictures on the Portsmouth North End Cycling Club website http://www.pnecc.co.uk/History.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pnecc.co.uk/History.html
Dates to be aware of : Velomobiles might be away on the EuroTour 2013 End July/August - also the LEL ride is end oof July
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 6:10pm
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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 6:31pm
How about a 24hr race? ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Hedgehog
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 6:41pm
| I did ask them if it would be possible to hold a 24 hour race and they could not see why not. |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 7:53pm
| oh err, i have enough trouble doing 45 minutes going round and round, can't imagine what 24hrs would do to my semi-knackered balance system!What about Rockingham Raceway (not the oval) but the twisty inner bit that touring cars use? Maybe get it cheaper if it is a quiet weekend (no car racing allowed). |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 9:03pm
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We did talk to Rockingham 11 or 12 years ago about using the site as a Worlds venue. Unfortunately being a new-build I don't think they have quiet weekends and they were scarily expensive even then. They do, or at least did then, allow the local cycling clubs to use the site but that is weekday evenings rather than weekends. Things may have changed since then of course but I wouldn't hold your breath. How about a team 24hr at Fowlmead? ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 11:11pm
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a team 24hr would be fun! like a 24hr pedalcar race, but without the requirement for 4 wheels? Not sure if fowlmead would be the best location as it does not have fixed lighting IIRC. Thus all riders would need high power headlights to be able to see safely and not everyone will have sutible lights. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 October 2012 at 11:24pm
Bring it on... 
The pedal cars manage ok at Shenington, Curborough and Bruntingthorpe with not a lot of fixed lighting...
Racing in the dark is great fun...
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Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 8:13am
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Excellent idea!!! 24hr....... Chickens drink would be a great place for it, although tis a popular ish race for bhpcs and may need de Interesting format to work well. Failing that what about a 13th race event which is the 24hr? |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 8:25am
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The other though that springs to mind is the one centred on raising race numbers. From a norfies point of view the race calander tends to be quite south east centric. Hill 1 and 2, hog, fowlmead. If one extents that to the south then it is more so with CC and reading. I understand the argument that these are the most popular etc etc, But then the north people perhaps feel its a long way to go and so why bother with the races north of the M4. I wonder if we held more Races north would we attract more rider up there and so more Members? Has it every been done where there has been a twin race calander? Offering riders two tracks on a weekend or two? (yes I here the argument, organisers....) Respects gd Ps.No disrespect intended to the excellent work of comp sex over the year for arranging races, and the location is not the general reason Ive not raced that's been the solar car work. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 8:55am
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If we can get a good deal on it, how about seeing if we could get a 2 day event at Coltishall, or maybe do the 24hr race there? It is in an area where there are currently no other races nearby. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 10:11am
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aldersley (wolverhampton) is going as a "trust" so hopefully at a more sensible pricing structure.. surface is still very good and one of the faster outdoor velodromes, also opens up options for double header weekend option with stourport or shrewsbury. |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 10:23am
| What a top idea Fards!!!! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 1:15pm
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Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 31 October 2012 at 1:26pm
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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 01 November 2012 at 5:37am
Oh, Shrewsburee-eeeee, Oh Shrewsbury, we love you....  (to the tune of "Tokyo", by 10cc)  |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 01 November 2012 at 8:19am
That sounds like a good weekend to me!  ------------- |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 01 November 2012 at 9:51am
A fair question, and one I asked myself pretty much annually during my tenure as CompSec. Looking at it in plain geography, yes, the density of races in the south-east is greater than in the rest of the island. If you were to measure it by races per head of population or BHPC membership you would get a different picture. Attendance numbers tell us that the most popular races (with the exception of Hog Hill) are those closer to That London.
That said, I always believed that there was a strong case for keeping a good geographical spread of races. Venturing to Rhyl may not have attracted a big total attendance, but it did entice one or two brand-new racers, and an old friend who we haven't seen for several years. Getting someone into their first race is the biggest hurdle, so a result like that potentially pulls in a couple of additional regular racers.
I always felt in a bit of a quandary over the lack of races in Scotland, Wales, East Anglia and the South West (as a native of Devon, no, Wiltshire doesn't count). Being the British Human Power Club I felt we should have races in all those regions, but also knew that attendance in at least some - Scotland and the South West, anyway - would probably be very low. I'm glad I was saved from feeling too guilty, because, as far as I could find, those regions lack suitable venues. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Hedgehog
Date Posted: 03 November 2012 at 12:52pm
| Should a 24 hour be considered it should be on a circuit where it was possible to keep the speed up in an attempt to encourage riders to obtain a high distance covered in 24 hours. It might also attrack some European riders too. |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 03 November 2012 at 1:42pm
| Nice idea.... |
Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 03 November 2012 at 2:09pm
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I'm not dismissing a 24 hour race - but if it is a points race then it would have to be individual - I suspect that would only appeal to a small number of people. ------------- Kevin Jenkins Windcheetah |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 03 November 2012 at 4:31pm
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Points or otherwise, we would need some reliable way of timing a 24 hour race, I doubt anyone would want to sit for 24 hours with a stopwatch. Also I don't think using the homebrew timing system in it's current state would be a good idea when half the riders don't have times because the tags had died at some point in the race. I belive fowlmead have an AMB system we could use if we did it there. If we were to use coltishall or another track then we would need to figure out some way of timing it. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 03 November 2012 at 5:19pm
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OK so not for points... Teams or individual there are enough GPS units around that we could run a well times event. We might have to make USB battery chargers to keep the systems live. Or swap them out every x hrs. |
Posted By: Andhar
Date Posted: 04 November 2012 at 4:15pm
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I would echo Adrian comments as being one of the most Northerly members. Rhyll was good for us as not too far to drive and less than a tank of fuel. Lancaster/Preston will be better if we go next year. The events in Edinburgh in 96 and 97? were very good. There is a possible venue in Aberdeenshire which holds a Cyclefest every year where there is a sportive with various rides and racing on a tarmac oval car track (not banked). I would be willing to organise that one, but given the geographical location I understand that might not be an option for a lot of folk. However there is scope for a demonstration event or a social one. ------------- Andrew Harrington |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 05 November 2012 at 10:38am
The BFPCR one would be suitable for timing a 24 hour race. Perhaps some arrangement could be come to. ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 07 November 2012 at 11:35am
I was advised that when it becomes a trust, next April, the hire charges could go up so it could be even more! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 07 November 2012 at 10:05pm
OUCH!! ------------- |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 7:17am
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Would a 3 hour slot not do?, could easily fit 2x 45 min races in that including a bit of warming up? maybe 1-4 on a saturday so we don't have to leave at some silly hour in the morning. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 1:57pm
Nick - if you're passing could you take a peek and see if there's anyone still alive there? |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 08 November 2012 at 8:18pm
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For Aldersley, talk to Fards as he works there and I seem to remember them trying to charge a similar amount last time before he pointed out the error of their ways...
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: tim.p
Date Posted: 09 November 2012 at 5:01pm
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can we use fowlmead again? ------------- more speed! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 09 November 2012 at 5:06pm
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Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 09 November 2012 at 5:38pm
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Sounds like your in a roll Andrew!!! I'd better get training :) Please can you send me a copy of any booking forms or emails Thanks Gd |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 09 November 2012 at 7:36pm
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I'm sure Mike will welcome any help organising the Fowlmead weekend... Last year it worked well with a bunch of people doing stuff. Not sure what plans Mike has yet but I would guess we'll need people to organise camping etc again...
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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 10 November 2012 at 8:48pm
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On the Fowlmead situation - can the people who helped out last time - take the time to jot down some notes of what they did, contacts phone numbers, etc - what went well - what could be better - it would be a same to lose that information
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 11:43am
The race calendar for 2013 is now complete:Sunday 7th April: http://www.hillingdoncyclecircuit.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Hillingdon 1Full details, including locations and times, will be posted on the BHPC website shortly and also in the next BHPC magazine. As announced at the AGM race fees will stay unchanged for 2013: £7 for members and £10 for non-members. The annual prepay race fee will stay at £55 but will not include Fowlmead. This is a special event with prizes and more races than usual so a special event fee will apply - prices will be announced shortly but are likely to include discounts for BHPC members. |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 11:48am
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 11:59am
| Those with a keen interest in events in North Lincolnshire will be aware that the Quibell Park Stadium in Scunthorpe has http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/news/service-disruption/quibell-park/?locale=en" rel="nofollow - recently been torched again and is currently closed. I am assured by the council that it should be open again by next July. |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 1:14pm
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Excellent work Andrew! 14 races! Shame about Quibell - I can't understand what goes through these people's heads...
------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 1:32pm
Have you decided the formula for how many of the 14 races one gets to count towards Championships? (In recent years it has been the best 8 from 12.) ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 1:50pm
First point: very quick work Andrew. Second: from a personal perspective lots of Velo' unfreindly courses  And Lastly: expanding upon Adrian's question; will the "special" at Fowlmead attract BHPC points?
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 1:56pm
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 2:03pm
At least one race each day at Fowlmead will be for Championship points, similar to WC2012. |
Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 14 November 2012 at 6:34pm
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Well done sir ! An excellent mix of tracks, dates and locations.
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 12:11pm
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Excellent work, some old favourites, some new tracks to try and a good spread across the country. Back to the shed now to try and find some speed to keep ahead of the juniors!. April seems so far away.... ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 1:10pm
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Great stuff. Any idea of start times?, will Preston be a later slot as discussed at agm to avoid the need to set off at a silly early hour. Was blyton and coltishall not available? ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 16 November 2012 at 9:35am
Coltishall looks a bit spartan. It may be worth looking at for a future Worlds-type event but looks to be hard work for a normal race. Blyton Park looks more promising but weekends get booked up early by Track Day companies. It could well feature in 2014 if I get in early. |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 19 November 2012 at 4:08pm
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Only one clash with a pedal car race is really good. So much better than what has gone before so that's great. What does "non-velo friendly" mean though? J ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 19 November 2012 at 6:40pm
| Depends on the velomobile, for Lee in his Milan SL, it doesn't really matter although Curborough's hairpin might be too tight, as for me in a quest any corner that means i have to brake to get around it or fall over!! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 19 November 2012 at 9:18pm
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 19 November 2012 at 10:45pm
Nice!  ------------- |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 8:45am
| Very!!! |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 9:42pm
Now i know why i voted for Mr Sidwell over Mr Burrows !!! 
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 20 November 2012 at 9:50pm
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Yup, you get a lot more tracks in the Midlands! Strange how far Norwich is from all the races though... |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 9:07am
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Ah, enthusiasm - it's a wonderful thing
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Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 9:48am
I understand. I take it Bruntingthorpe kart track would be something of a challenge then  . ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 12:37pm
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No!.....i call it FUN!!! ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 12:41pm
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It is... ------------- |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 1:39pm
| The tarmac track doesn't look too bad but some of those turns on the infield look a bit tight. |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 2:13pm
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Its about 450m all the way round. Sort of a classic go-kart shape and rewards drivers who deal with slower "traffic" well. ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 3:58pm
That's no way to talk about Alan Goodman.
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 21 November 2012 at 8:19pm
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Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:09am
Teehee! I am building him a faster car. (Actually, he's no slouch.) ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:45am
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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 8:40pm
| Race calendar (and map!) now up on the http://www.bhpc.org.uk/1events.aspx" rel="nofollow - website Events page , together with links to each track as viewed from space - many thanks Keith! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:02pm
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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:38pm
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Great stuff :) Is lancaster going to be a later start? (so we don't have to get up at some silly hour in the morning, race and then burn time between the race and going to the pub....) ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 22 November 2012 at 9:42pm
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I propose we just go straight to the pub... ------------- |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 23 November 2012 at 3:45pm
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Race to the pub. I feel a new race format coming :O) Hmmm, but if the organiser is evil follow the pub with a hill climb :OP ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 November 2012 at 4:11pm
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Okay until one's "BEER ENTHUSIASM"TM runs out halfway up the hill. We've all been there...
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 November 2012 at 6:47pm
oh yes !!!  .......
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