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Topic: 2013 Hog Hill

Posted By: Andrew S
Subject: 2013 Hog Hill
Date Posted: 07 August 2013 at 5:30pm

This is the place for information and discussion about the 10th round of the 2013 BHPC race season at https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208470313952899343599.0004cea3175fab716fe41&msa=0&ll=51.606984,0.125828&spn=0.041205,0.073299&iwloc=0004dab5c1caccb2bdc80" rel="nofollow - Hog Hill on Sunday 25th August.

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 1:46pm

There isn't currently anyone down for organising at Hog Hill so please make yourself known, either here or to Alan, if you'd like to do it. The laptop is set up ready to go and should be with Geoff and Fiona by then.

I'm not planning to be there so do have a lovely time.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 2:13pm

Geoff and Fiona said they would organise.

Pretty sure I'm going there instead of Mildenhall now so I'll be happy to help...

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 3:13pm

Yep, we're organising, hence having the kit. Someone will have to take it off us at Hog Hill though, cos we're not going to Fowlmead.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 08 August 2013 at 6:19pm

It isn't sounding like many people are going to Fowlmead so far... Cry

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Posted By: tincanracer
Date Posted: 09 August 2013 at 9:16am

I am happy to be first aider for Hog Hill. I was also planning to go to Fowlmead for the weekend, is it still on? It clashes with the Moulton weekend which is pre book only so I would appreciate notice if its going to be cancelled so I can go there instead.

Regards

Stuart

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Laid Back in Spirit

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 09 August 2013 at 9:19am

Many thanks!!

Fowlmead is very much still on... The date was moved a week to avoid a clash with the Silverstone 24 hour (which has now been cancelled!!!)

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 August 2013 at 10:52am

I'm in for Hog Hill with Naked Wobbly. Not Fowlmead though as i'm on my holidays!

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 10 August 2013 at 12:11am

By the way Stuart (tincanracer), I've just noticed you were in the "Visitors" group on here - I've changed you to "BHPC Member" as I know you are a club member... You should now be able to see the member's areas of the forum (you may need to log out and in again...)

If anybody else thinks they don't have appropriate access please shout... Chances of me noticing are pretty slim!

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Posted By: tincanracer
Date Posted: 12 August 2013 at 9:33am

Thanks Alan

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Laid Back in Spirit

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 18 August 2013 at 9:52pm

Any thoughts on race format for Hog Hill?

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 19 August 2013 at 7:37am

I'll get back to you tonight.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 19 August 2013 at 8:05am

No worries!

3 hours on the full circuit would probably be best I think... LOL

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 19 August 2013 at 7:25pm

sounds good to me!

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 19 August 2013 at 11:14pm

I'm tempted to say four ten minute races - that would be fun (but not for the organisers though). 30 minutes in each direction worked well last time, so lets go with that.

We can follow it with a race to Aberdeen and back, for those who like longer races - just send me your GPS data when you get back and I'll tell you who won. No points - just for fun.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 20 August 2013 at 12:39am

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Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 23 August 2013 at 8:27pm

What time is registration closing? I Have to drop off one of the kids at Luton airport first and will struggle to get there before 10.45.

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To be happy and not get killed.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 23 August 2013 at 9:13pm

It will close at 11:44 sharp...

Need confirmation from the organisers but I think if we know you're definitely coming we could put you on the sheet before you get there... What is your race number and what machine will you be riding Sam??

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 August 2013 at 10:12pm

We'd ideally like to get registration done by around 11am. Registration will be in the clubhouse, so PLEASE REGISTER BEFORE WANDERING OFF DOWN TO THE TRACK. I thank you.

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Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 24 August 2013 at 10:24am

Will aim to get there for for 11am

Sam Knight

number 19

Linear LWB.

Unfaired.

Cheers.

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To be happy and not get killed.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 24 August 2013 at 9:51pm

May be worth allowing a little more time for travelling if possible - Some roads in Essex were flooded today apparently and it's still widdling down here in Hemel Hempstead at the moment...

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Posted By: ed1972
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 6:07pm

Thoroughly enjoyed the racing today. Thanks to all who organised it. The wife, who timed me in the last race, stuffed a stopwatch in her bag when picking all her stuff up off the grass. Can someone let me know who to send this to, or can it wait until Fowlmead ?

Thanks.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 6:20pm

No problem Rd - If you can bring it along to Fowlmead that will be great...

Many thanks to Geoff and Fiona... for the organising.

The weather behaved itself in the end.

I clearly need to fall over at the start more often... Big smile

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 6:24pm

The average speeds all look a little low on the results... We have the circuit length listed as 1.0KM - My GPS says 0.7 miles... Anybody got any better ideas??

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 6:35pm

AlanGoodman wrote:

The average speeds all look a little low on the results... We have the circuit length listed as 1.0KM - My GPS says 0.7 miles... Anybody got any better ideas??

The centre list the bottom track as 1.15km (0.715miles) on their http://www.vision-rcl.org.uk/redbridgetrack.html" rel="nofollow - track layouts page . My cycle comp made it 1.13km last year so 1.15km this year is probably about right, allowing for the expansion of space-time since then.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 6:37pm

Sounds good to me!!

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 7:23pm

Did anyone pick up a yellow Joe Blow track pump and a green cover for a folding chair? We are missing both items.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 7:26pm

I think there was a yellow pump in one of the boxes that went with Leo... Can you confirm please Leo?

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Posted By: Gio
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 7:38pm

My Garmin said it was 0.7 of a mile round the circuit and my average mph in the first race was 18mph :-)

Not the fastest I know but good for me :-)

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Love handcycling when it's not raining :-)

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 7:38pm

Here are the results...

1	Steve Slade	Beano	O	23	32:44.18	47.4	29.5
2	Mike Burrows	Q	O/P	21	32:54.34	43.1	26.8
3	Neil Fleming	nocom	O/P/U	19	33:07.81	38.7	24.0
4	Sarah Tweddle	Yellow Midget	O/L/J	19	33:17.12	38.5	23.9
5	Sam Relton	Crusader	O/J	19	34:24.25	37.3	23.1
6	John Lucian	Blue Wave	O/Mf	18	33:22.91	36.4	22.6
7	Stuart Dennison	Ratracer	O/P	18	33:23.26	36.4	22.6
8	Richard Everett	Windcheater	O/P/Mf/M	17	33:54.30	33.8	21.0
9	Karl Sparenberg	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	17	33:54.54	33.8	21.0
10	Fiona Grove	Velodynamics T8	O/P/U/L/Lp	15	33:49.41	29.9	18.6
11	Diego Garcia	Flux	O/P/U/St/S	14	33:13.17	28.4	17.7
12	Eddie Robbins	Rome	O	3		6.1	3.8

Round 1 Race 2
Pos	Name	Vehicle	Class	Laps	Time	Km/h	MPH
1	Mark Chillery	Switchblade	O/P/U/St/S	18	32:17.82	37.6	23.4
2	Alan Goodman	Ratty	O/P	18	32:27.89	37.4	23.2
3	Derrick Tweddle	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	18	34:25.50	35.3	21.9
4	Leo McNally	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	17	33:25.67	34.3	21.3
5	Graham Adamson	Optima Cougar	O/P/U/St/S	17	33:43.59	34.0	21.1
6	Fraser Tomsett	Molerat	O/P/U	17	34:57.43	32.8	20.4
7	Sid Charlton	Tricky	O/P/U/Mf/M	16	33:45.41	32.0	19.9
8	Geoff Bird	HPV Heaven T9	O/P/U/St/S	16	35:05.51	30.8	19.1
9	Shawn Ballantine	Rat 9	O/P	15	33:27.77	30.2	18.8
10	Sam Knight	Linear LWB	O/P/U/St/S	15	34:38.95	29.2	18.1
11	Giovanni Strawbridge	Handcycle	O/P/U/Mf/M/A	14	33:10.20	28.5	17.7
12	Stuart Glen	Kingcycle	O/P/U/St/S	14	34:05.60	27.7	17.2
13	Katie Sparenberg	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	13	35:03.57	25.0	15.5
14	Ed Thomas	Ice Sprint	O/P/U/Mf/M	11	34:50.36	21.3	13.2

Round 2 Race(s) for 30 + 1 Laps -- Lap distance: 1.1 km

Round 2 Race 1
Pos	Name	Vehicle	Class	Laps	Time	Km/h	MPH
1	Steve Slade	Beano	O	23	32:37.45	47.6	29.6
2	Mike Burrows	Q	O/P	21	33:49.64	41.9	26.0
3	Eddie Robbins	Rome	O	20	32:52.91	41.1	25.5
4	Neil Fleming	nocom	O/P/U	19	33:07.45	38.7	24.0
5	Sarah Tweddle	Yellow Midget	O/L/J	19	33:31.39	38.3	23.8
6	Sam Relton	Crusader	O/J	19	34:02.70	37.7	23.4
7	John Lucian	Blue Wave	O/Mf	18	32:38.16	37.2	23.1
8	Stuart Dennison	Ratracer	O/P	18	34:02.42	35.7	22.2
9	Richard Everett	Windcheater	O/P/Mf/M	16	32:38.73	33.1	20.5
10	Fiona Grove	Velodynamics T8	O/P/U/L/Lp	14	32:39.32	28.9	18.0
11	Karl Sparenberg	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	10		20.7	12.8

Round 2 Race 2
Pos	Name	Vehicle	Class	Laps	Time	Km/h	MPH
1	Alan Goodman	Ratty	O/P	17	32:32.32	35.3	21.9
2	Mark Chillery	Switchblade	O/P/U/St/S	17	32:45.11	35.0	21.8
3	Diego Garcia	Flux	O/P/U/St/S	17	32:45.33	35.0	21.7
4	Derrick Tweddle	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	17	34:07.54	33.6	20.9
5	Graham Adamson	Optima Cougar	O/P/U/St/S	16	33:26.64	32.3	20.0
6	Fraser Tomsett	Molerat	O/P/U	16	34:41.83	31.1	19.3
7	Leo McNally	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	15	33:22.26	30.3	18.8
8	Geoff Bird	HPV Heaven T9	O/P/U/St/S	15	34:07.00	29.7	18.4
9	Sam Knight	Linear LWB	O/P/U/St/S	14	32:50.11	28.8	17.9
10	Shawn Ballantine	Rat 9	O/P	14	34:09.20	27.7	17.2
11	Giovanni Strawbridge	Handcycle	O/P/U/Mf/M/A	13	33:05.42	26.5	16.5
12	Stuart Glen	Kingcycle	O/P/U/St/S	13	33:22.64	26.3	16.3
13	Katie Sparenberg	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	12	32:51.18	24.6	15.3
14	Ed Thomas	Ice Sprint	O/P/U/Mf/M	11	34:25.51	21.5	13.4

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 7:49pm

Overall... Mark (and Stuart!!) managed to beat me in Part-faired...

Still chuffed with race 2 though...

Overall
Pos.	Name	Vehicle	Class	Position											Points
Pos.	Name	Vehicle	Class	O	P	U	L	Lp	St	S	Mf	M	J	A	O	P	U	L	Lp	St	S	Mf	M	J	A
1	Steve Slade	Beano	O	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2	Mike Burrows	Q	O/P	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	900	1000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Neil Fleming	nocom	O/P/U	3	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	770	900	1000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Sarah Tweddle	Yellow Midget	O/L/J	4	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	692	0	0	1000	0	0	0	0	0	1000	0
5	Sam Relton	Crusader	O/J	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	560	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	900	0
6	Mark Chillery	Switchblade	O/P/U/St/S	6	3	2	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	522	733	900	0	0	1000	1000	0	0	0	0
7	Alan Goodman	Ratty	O/P	7	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	510	729	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
8	John Lucian	Blue Wave	O/Mf	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	504	0	0	0	0	0	0	1000	0	0	0
9	Stuart Dennison	Ratracer	O/P	9	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	454	733	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
10	Eddie Robbins	Rome	O	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	441	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
11	Derrick Tweddle	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	11	6	3	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	350	560	770	0	0	855	855	0	0	0	0
12	Graham Adamson	Optima Cougar	O/P/U/St/S	12	7	4	0	0	4	4	0	0	0	0	284	454	656	0	0	729	729	0	0	0	0
13	Richard Everett	Windcheater	O/P/Mf/M	13	7	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	282	454	0	0	0	0	0	900	1000	0	0
14	Leo McNally	Hurricane	O/P/U/St/S	14	9	5	0	0	3	3	0	0	0	0	278	440	630	0	0	733	733	0	0	0	0
15	Diego Garcia	Flux	O/P/U/St/S	15	10	7	0	0	5	5	0	0	0	0	229	378	562	0	0	716	716	0	0	0	0
15	Fraser Tomsett	Molerat	O/P/U	15	11	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	229	368	590	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
17	Geoff Bird	HPV Heaven T9	O/P/U/St/S	17	12	8	0	0	6	6	0	0	0	0	185	298	478	0	0	623	623	0	0	0	0
18	Karl Sparenberg	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	18	13	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	0	167	261	0	0	0	0	0	700	778	0	0
19	Fiona Grove	Velodynamics T8	O/P/U/L/Lp	19	14	9	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	158	256	430	900	1000	0	0	0	0	0	0
20	Shawn Ballantine	Rat 9	O/P	20	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	151	242	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
21	Sam Knight	Linear LWB	O/P/U/St/S	21	16	10	0	0	7	7	0	0	0	0	142	230	387	0	0	560	560	0	0	0	0
22	Giovanni Strawbridge	Handcycle	O/P/U/Mf/M/A	22	17	11	0	0	0	0	3	2	0	1	122	196	349	0	0	0	0	733	814	0	1000
23	Stuart Glen	Kingcycle	O/P/U/St/S	23	18	12	0	0	8	8	0	0	0	0	104	168	298	0	0	478	478	0	0	0	0
24	Sid Charlton	Tricky	O/P/U/Mf/M	24	19	14	0	0	0	0	7	6	0	0	103	157	266	0	0	0	0	364	405	0	0
25	Katie Sparenberg	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	25	20	13	3	2	0	0	5	4	0	0	94	151	268	810	900	0	0	660	733	0	0
26	Ed Thomas	Ice Sprint	O/P/U/Mf/M	26	21	15	0	0	0	0	6	5	0	0	84	136	242	0	0	0	0	594	660	0	0

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Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 8:14pm

Wow Super efficient with the results...Shame I am not so efficient with my racing...Well never mind.

Thanks for a great day and thanks all for putting up with my barky Westie. And especially to those who kept a tight hold of her during my races.

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To be happy and not get killed.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 8:16pm

She was great fun Sam... I reckon you should hook up another half a dozen to your bike - It would save all that pedalling...

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Posted By: Leo McNally
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 8:27pm

I definitely have a yellow pump and chair cover in my possession. The chair cover has made an ideal quiver for the flags.

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If it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 8:57pm

Did anybody make a note of the web address on the back of Mark Chillery's bike??

I was going to have a look at it but I can't remember what it was!

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Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 9:07pm

I have done 18 laps in second race, but probably you should discount the last one, as Slash has passed me just before finish line. I finish behind Stuart, so in the second race I should have 17 laps.

The speeds published are pretty low compare to what I have. The lap distance is 0.72miles according to my GPS.

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John Lucian

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 9:12pm

Thanks for finishing off the results Alan and thanks to Glynn, John R., Slash and Twed for helping out with organisating duties.

Thought the flags already had a quiver Leo? Many thanks for picking up the pump. Would you be able to deliver it to a Twed at Fowlmead by any chance? Would be much appreciated.

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 9:21pm

Andrew S wrote: "My cycle comp made it 1.13km last year so 1.15km this year is probably about right, allowing for the expansion of space-time since then."

You're the one with the astrophysics degree Andrew but I think you should maybe recheck your calculations there...

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 10:43pm

Neil's times for the two races are within half a second of each other. The man's a machine.

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 10:52pm

GeoffBird wrote:

I think you should maybe recheck your calculations there...

Ah, you're thinking that my wheels will have expanded by the same amount so the measurement should stay the same. However the rims have been accelerated by a greater amount over the year than the Hog Hill track so you must take account of relativistic effects Geek

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This also accounts for the apparent effect of Mike Burrows travelling faster this year than last year which is, of course, a nonsense.

Posted By: Leo McNally
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 10:57pm

http://www.cyclingfuture.com" rel="nofollow - www.cyclingfuture.com

I totally missed the fact that his seating position changed until I saw the video clip on the website. Doh.

AlanGoodman wrote:

Thumbs Up

Did anybody make a note of the web address on the back of Mark Chillery's bike??

I was going to have a look at it but I can't remember what it was!

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If it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun.

Posted By: Leo McNally
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 11:04pm

True Geoff, but the chair cover has a handy strap to sling it over the shoulder too.

Everything I took off the track that isn't mine will be at Fowlmead.

GeoffBird wrote:

Thanks for finishing off the results Alan and thanks to Glynn, John R., Slash and Twed for helping out with organisating duties.

Thought the flags already had a quiver Leo? Many thanks for picking up the pump. Would you be able to deliver it to a Twed at Fowlmead by any chance? Would be much appreciated.

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If it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun.

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 11:14pm

Hah, maybe we should donate the cover to the club then! Smile

Thanks Leo, I'll ask a Twed to relieve you of them there (we're not going).

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 August 2013 at 11:25pm

Leo McNally wrote:

http://www.cyclingfuture.com" rel="nofollow - www.cyclingfuture.com

Thanks Leo!

Amazing machine...

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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 26 August 2013 at 7:23pm

got home a couple of hours ago after a lovely time in Regents park and watched the changing of the guard outside Buck P. Took 3 hours to get through London even with the sat nav!

Good work from Fiona and Geoff for their hard work and nice to see fresh blood battling it out.

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weight is everything

Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 26 August 2013 at 7:45pm

That switchblade bike certainly looks unusual but I'm not convinced by it myself. I consider my Fujin SL II to be a good climber, I was in the top 10% on the KOM stage of the Etape Caledonia up the Schiehallion climb. That hill is 1:6 at it's steepest and I was passing roadies even on the steep part. I find it hard to believe a 17kg bike would climb faster than my 9kg fujin.

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Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany!

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 26 August 2013 at 10:16pm

You could be right Lee, and the issue of low speed stability can be solved by correct steering geometry, especially a steep steering head. Yes, I know some people disagree with that statement! I'm told Mark was going well at Redbridge, but I have no idea how strong he is. What we need is scientific data, for all else is conjecture.

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 26 August 2013 at 10:23pm

He was using his arms to sprint as well as for climbing... In the first "slow" race my last lap was 24.9MPH and was the 6th fastest recorded on Strava so far around that circuit.... And he was pulling away from me... unfaired!!

http://app.strava.com/activities/77456781" rel="nofollow - http://app.strava.com/activities/77456781

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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 9:22am

Clearly you need to change your 'slow rider... ending Alan.

respect

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weight is everything

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 10:53am

Shhhhh... They'll think I've been tr***ing... :o)

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Posted By: Leo McNally
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 12:14pm

For those in control of such things, can I suggest a double-check of the Championship standings on the website? I've just looked and Twed appears to have scored no points at all (in any class) at Hog Hill.

Even though it shows me now leading Sports class it doesn't seem fair....

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If it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun.

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 12:27pm

Leo McNally wrote:

For those in control of such things, can I suggest a double-check of the Championship standings on the website?

It looks like a case of dual identity: 'Derek Tweddle' riding 'Hurrican' has been scoring points through the season but not at Hog Hill, whereas 'Derrick Tweddle' riding 'Hurricane' appears to be a new rider who first appeared this weekend and is currently 17th in Sports Class.

Please could someone sort this out - Alan? Kevin?

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 12:31pm

I think it serves hm right for taking me roughly from behind in race 1. Twice. :o)

Well spotted Leo - Results have already been posted by the ever-efficient Kevin.

Please could you have a look Kevin?

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 1:03pm

Updated - now all down as Derek and Hurricane - if it should be Derrick then will sort out - but all points are there

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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 1:04pm

Many thanks!

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 1:13pm

AlanGoodman wrote:

Many thanks!

Seconded!

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 8:23pm

Ah, that's my fault Embarrassed

- Derrick was complaining about his name being spelt wrong and there being no 'e' on the end of Hurrican, so I said, don't worry, it's all referenced to the race number (or so I'd been told), not the name, so I'll change it. I was only trying to be helpful...

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 8:27pm

AlanGoodman wrote: "I think it serves hm right for taking me roughly from behind in race 1. Twice. :o)"

Yeh, he does that. I told him to fcuk off the second time he did it to me at Lancaster one year Big smile

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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 8:32pm

It's a habit he's picked up from pedal car racing I think... He has a reputation for it there you know...

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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 9:28am

Hi Folks

having seen the switchblade bike vids it is an interesting concept what size are the wheels and does the gearing compensate for the small wheels judging by the results it sounds pretty nippy a bit tricky to row and pedal together I get confused just pedaling is it available to buy and if so at what price does it come in at , congrats to everyone on the racing take care .

Jeff.

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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp

Posted By: Karl
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 11:11am

I've just sent Mark an email, I was chatting to him late last year about his machines, told him about the interest on here.

I've given him your mail address Alan incase he can't see the forum.

Regards

Karl

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 11:14am

Thanks Karl,

As of this morning Mark is a BHPC member... Big smile

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 2:04pm

GeoffBird wrote:

Oh, that's my fault Embarrassed

OK changed it to Derrick for all the events this year and updated it

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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 2:36pm

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Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 1:00pm

GeoffBird wrote:

Ah, that's my fault Embarrassed

- Derrick was complaining about his name being spelt wrong and there being no 'e' on the end of Hurrican,

Psst....I wasn't complaining......it has been like that for many seasons....it just came out as someone else had noticed it.

If I was to complain, then it might be that Mark Chillery's bike is very unusual in that it converts from a high position to a low rider position. I would question its class of ST and SP. I know this as Leo & I followed him around a good head+ above him .....and I rode the bike.
Also I am happy to be corrected ....but was Diego on the flux in race 2? ....if it was then it was very low & long.
I realise I may be too late with this ....but just managed to find time to read stuff. Cest la vie.

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Never believe an atom they make up everything.

Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 1:04pm

Ah....thanks for the corrections Kevin ....I wasn't that fussed as the longevity of it shows .....but it looks neater now

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Never believe an atom they make up everything.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 3:11pm

Twed wrote:

If I was to complain, then it might be that Mark Chillery's bike is very unusual .

An unusual bike at a BHPC event???

Oh no...

I guess this should be referred to the Competition Secretary...

The seat height rule was removed from Sports Class a while back though and Mark does ride the machine on the road I believe...

Two further classes serve to provide an entry-level competition for riders who do not (yet) posess an out-and-out racing machine, and to promote the development of road-going machines with fairings. These classes do not have strict technical specifications. Eligibility will be determined principally by the competitors or, if arbitration is required by the Competition Secretary

*Sports* This class is for unfaired bicycles that are suitable for use on the open road. Tail boxes are permitted, if they are practical luggage-carriers. Typical examples include: Kingcycle (without nose cone), Challenge Hurricane, Challenge Mistral, Burrows Ratcatcher.

Street Also for bicycles suitable for use on the open road, but front and tail fairings are allowed (side fairings and "bags" are not considered suitable for road use and are disallowed). Examples: Kingcycle with nosecone, Challenge Mistral with Zzipper fairing, Geoff Bird T7. Sports-class bikes are also eligible for Street.

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Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 30 August 2013 at 12:39pm

I guess a varying seat height may test race classification logic but one objective of the Switchblade design was to make it easy to ride on the road. Even if seat height influences the Class of the bike, which seat height is relevant? Perhaps the default (high) position; or perhaps the one used on the track the most, which is of course, the lower position: interesting.

I noticed that Alan's bike is considered a race machine whereas Diego's (in the second race) was not, even though they both seemed like definitive race machines. It’s not the tail fairing that makes Alan's a race machine, is it? Irrespective of what class my bike is deemed to be, I would like to understand that distinction.

Hope to see you all again soon.

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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer

Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 30 August 2013 at 1:12pm

Jeff,

currently 20" wheels front and back. It’s based on compact low racer format (I think that's what they call them) although most of these now seem to go for a larger rear wheel. I anticipate 24" front, 26 or 700c back for next version. Front wheel drive is slightly more manageable with a higher seat so that will probably stay. I’m only just starting to think about a route to production. Perhaps first step is establishing if there is a market: there might be!

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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 August 2013 at 1:35pm

markchillery wrote:

I noticed that Alan's bike is considered a race machine whereas Diego's (in the second race) was not, even though they both seemed like definitive race machines. It’s not the tail fairing that makes Alan's a race machine, is it? Irrespective of what class my bike is deemed to be, I would like to understand that distinction.

Hope to see you all again soon.

Diego switched bikes between the two races... Only the bike he used in the first race was a "Sports Class" machine...

He shouldn't really have been in Sports or Street overall to be honest as you get points for only the highest class of machine you use on the day...

My opinion is that your machine is fine in Sports as it fits into the spirit of the class perfectly...

My Ratracer is very much a race bike with very little steering lock, although there are people who regularly ride them on the road and even tour on them!!

Not me though... I mostly ride a Kingcycle on the road...

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Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 30 August 2013 at 1:58pm

Very useful Alan, thanks. Now I understand. I have a tail fairing that would be interesting to fit.

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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer

Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 31 August 2013 at 9:14am

Thanks Mark for the reply.

Jeff.

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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 03 September 2013 at 8:23pm

Some photos and video of Hog Hill here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyao7onSzb8&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyao7onSzb8&feature=youtu.be by Shawn Ballantine, Sherry Ballantine and Jaycee Koh. Many thanks to them.

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 September 2013 at 8:33pm

Superb...

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Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 04 September 2013 at 8:22am

that's great to watch.

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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer