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Topic: 2013 Curborough
Posted By: Yowie
Subject: 2013 Curborough
Date Posted: 11 September 2013 at 2:25am
This is the place for information and discussion about the 13th round of the 2013 BHPC race season at http://goo.gl/maps/fSXu3" rel="nofollow - Curborough (nr. Lichfield) on Sunday 29th September.




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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 11 September 2013 at 2:29am
Can anyone offer me a ride on their bike please? :) A fast one, I hope Evil Smile.

A Ratracer would do nicely Wink

Bearing in mind, I'm 5'10", when standing up straight.

Not sure if I can get the Great White up to Curborough..


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 11 September 2013 at 8:55am
I'll be riding over in the Quest, you can try that but it wall fall over round the hairpin and if you scratch it you've bought it!
 
Mind you our leggies are of such different lengths us being different 'morphs, you wouldn't fit in it, much better you borrowing something else.
 
Hang on, you live in Boggytar, will this be a virtual you, or a real you? And if the latter is it a flying visit, or permanent?


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 11 September 2013 at 9:25am
Perhaps he's on one of those VR trainers, linked up to a camera on Fardoe's Quest?


Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 11 September 2013 at 5:15pm
Howard
 
The Raptobike will probably shorten to around your leg length if you're stuck for a ride and I'm happy to see you ride it.
 
Currently has Shimano road pedals on it.
 
Barney


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 12 September 2013 at 4:33am
Permanent, insofar as the word has meaning.

Thanks for the offers

I'm hoping that I fit into Lee's Quest.

See you all soon.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 12 September 2013 at 6:32am
I should have Ratty there...

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 17 September 2013 at 1:12pm
I'm taking my quest, but as have the footholes glassed over don't really fancy adjusting leg length if I can avoid it, as I'd have to do it again to ride it back home!
it's there if you are completely stuck though.

not sure if I'm racing it yet, will depend on how well it goes around the bottom hairpin!
Very very unlikely to have the new machine before then unfortunately.


I can do 1st aid if no-one is down for it,

you're welcome to stop over at mine if you want Yowie btw, it's a fairly easy 20miles to the circuit.


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 17 September 2013 at 4:20pm
Thanks Alan and Ian,  the legs is the key issue.  Nobody likes adjusting their recumbent for leg length.  <Ahem> Alan- have you grown some?  Dragging the Ratty bootbackwards isn't usually fun- do you know if it'll go that far back, will the back wheel still turn in the slot?


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 17 September 2013 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Yowie Yowie wrote:

<Ahem> Alan- have you grown some? 
 
Sadly not... Cry
 


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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 18 September 2013 at 8:57am
New machine mr fards  Clap , pray tell all , as for borrowing a bike I will be going with the cobra and have had it adjusted for long legged folk like me if you want to borrow it for the fast race as I am in the slow one mr yowie.
Jeff.


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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 18 September 2013 at 2:06pm
Great, I think I've got a fleet of machines to choose from .  If possible, I'll try Lee's Quest but it may be too short.  Second best Ratracer or a Cobra!


Posted By: Wyndrake
Date Posted: 18 September 2013 at 8:16pm
If it helps Howard, I could hitch my velomobile trailer to the car and give you and Great White a lift to Curborough.

Alan B


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 18 September 2013 at 9:24pm
Thanks Alan.  I don't think it works logistically.  I'll be living near Lee in Lincolnshire.  Great White is in Wiltshire, although I do have access to it.  Probably a lot of miles and effort to get to ride the GW.  If plans change I'll check back with you


Posted By: hotta
Date Posted: 19 September 2013 at 6:18pm
I'll be back for last race and will be bringing Sam Renton with me ,look forward to racing again next year

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never stop it hurts less in the end


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 19 September 2013 at 7:46pm
Look forward to seeing you again sir.
Jeff.


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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp


Posted By: Karl
Date Posted: 19 September 2013 at 11:37pm
Can I ask if the racing format will be the usual fast, slow, races?
Only reason to ask is a friend is coming to race and will be borrowing one of my machines to race on, too many people and not enough races otherwise.

Karl


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 20 September 2013 at 9:14am
Curborough is very narrow in places so we will almost certainly split the field into fast and slow. Current thinking is for one shortish race around the top circuit, possibly clockwise, then one longish race around the whole circuit, anticlockwise. However this remains TBC so don't go tuning your tyres just yet.


Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 21 September 2013 at 3:01pm
The format for the racing at Curborough will be as follows:
10.00   sign on opens
11.00   one lap time trial clockwise on the top circuit
11.30   sign on closes
12.00   15 minute (slower) race, anticlockwise on the top circuit
12.30   15 minute (faster) race, anticlockwise on the top circuit
13.30   45 minute (slower) race, on the full circuit, direction to be decided by popular vote on the day
14.45   45 minute (faster) race, on the full circuit, direction to be the same as the slow race!
 
Hope to be finished by 15.45
 
Heather and Andrew
 


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 21 September 2013 at 3:10pm
Thumbs Up
 
Sounds good to me...

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 21 September 2013 at 3:26pm
The pedal car club are there the day before with 30 teams entered and we'll be running into the dark... You're more than welcome to watch (there are usually teams who are short of a driver if you're feeling keen...)
If anybody is coming from a long way away there will be free camping on Saturday night and a reasonably priced barbeque in the evening...
 
Facilities at Curborough are non-existent fairly basic for camping - There are toilets which will be open all night... Watch out for the spiders... Big smile


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Posted By: MartinQS
Date Posted: 22 September 2013 at 8:57pm
hoping to ride up not sure if i`l be racing might be on the cresswell rapied or the trike your welcome to have a go both are adjustable and im 5`11 Smile


Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 5:19pm
Race points split will be as follows:
 
One lap time trial - 10%
15 minute race - 30%
45 minute race - 60%
 
Heather and Andrew


Posted By: MartinQS
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 7:52pm
Hi is it sunday only not sat and sun ? confused .com?


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 8:05pm
Pedal cars Saturday, BHPC Sunday...

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Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 9:25pm
Just to confuse things further Alan, What time is the PEDAL CAR RACING, if I can I will get up to watch.

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To be happy and not get killed.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 9:32pm
Racing starts at 1pm and ends at 8pm unless anyone completes 150 miles before that (unlikely).
http://www.pedalcars.info/events/info.asp?VenueID=curborough



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Posted By: MartinQS
Date Posted: 23 September 2013 at 10:04pm
Cheers Alan


Posted By: MartinQS
Date Posted: 26 September 2013 at 10:20am
Anyone got the postcode for curborough?


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 26 September 2013 at 10:27am
Originally posted by MartinQS MartinQS wrote:

Anyone got the postcode for curborough?
 
"Curborough track does not have a specific Postcode, but you can use the one for the nearest property which is WS13 8EJ. If you are entering an address in your Sat Nav we are in Netherstowe Lane off Wood End Lane"
 
http://www.curborough.co.uk/curbloc.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.curborough.co.uk/curbloc.htm


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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 26 September 2013 at 1:08pm
The postcodes for all venues, as well as maps of the surrounding area, are on the http://www.bhpc.org.uk/1events.aspx" rel="nofollow - Events page of the BHPC website. Just click on the venue name in the events list.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 26 September 2013 at 2:06pm
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 27 September 2013 at 12:12am
Dear Organisators of power..
Pretty please!

if it's possible to shunt the last race forward a bit (15 mins would help)** I can save enough energy to sprint back home to get to my daughters dance show at 5.

Can't say I really want to go to her dance show, but it appears I have no choice..*** :/

**yes I know our timing is "fluid" :D
***as I have just been informed, nothing like forward planning.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 27 September 2013 at 5:49pm
Having a nightmare workwise... Might have to come home after the pedal car race tomorrow so that I can work on Sunday... Cry

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Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 27 September 2013 at 7:05pm
Fards
 
We will do our best to be flexible. Wouldn't want you to miss the dance show
 
Heather


Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 7:19pm
Thanks to all for a good days racing. Sorry about those who had misfortune of various sorts and I hope Martin Lucy is OK after the most spectacular single person crash I have ever seen and, being just behind him on the track, one of the scariest!
 
Thanks to all who helped out, particularly Derek who did most of the organising, allowing Andrew and me to race as well.
 
The race results will be dealt with tomorrow night as we are going to watch the World Championships road race this evening. Catch up TV is wonderful!
 
Finally, if anyone left a rather nice grey hooded jacket at the track, please let me know as we have it. If you left 2 blue plastic mugs, the chap who runs the circuit has those!
 
Heather


Posted By: MartinQS
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 8:11pm
Had a great day looks like it was a very good turnout .Really enjoyed myself and met some great people ,thanks to all 


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 8:11pm
Many thanks to Heather, Andrew and Derek... A great event and combining it with the pedal car race worked very well for those of us that like both or just wanted to camp over on Saturday night.
 
Hope everybody that crashed is ok - Martin's crash looked very scary from where I was standing so I'm sure it must have been horrendous from where he was!!!
 
Great to see a couple of pedal cars having a go and to see Phil and Chris going so well (especially as they were racing until 8pm last night... Clap)
 
Ratty didn't seem too keen on his new wheel disks... I was all over the place in the 15 minute race and having seen so many people fall off I decided to sit out  the 45 minute race... I'm sure they will be fine without the crosswind though...
 


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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 8:35pm
Many thanks to Heather, Derek and Andrew and all the willing (and unwilling) timers for their work today.  It was all a pleasure and a joy to be back racing with you all  Tongue.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 8:37pm
All that sunshine and foreign food doesn't seem to have slowed you down much Howard!!

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 29 September 2013 at 10:45pm
Thanks to all for today, really great event.
made it back home with time to spare (despite an autopilot malfunction in my brain which took me back up and over cannock chase)
which meant I got to sit through several hours of self indulgence, interspersed with the kids being great doing their stuff .

Martin posted up on fb nothing was broken, he's just very sore.


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 8:28am
Hi Folks
thanks for a great days racing and a big thank you for helping me up from my pre-race wobbles and helping me get off the bike after the races much appreciated hope fully I will get some photo's up soon . Jeff.


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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 8:39am
You looked like you were going really well yesterday Jeff...
I still only pulling away cleanly on Ratty about 1 time in 3 at the moment... I think part of the problem is that those bikes aren't exactly road friendly so I don't get to ride it between races...
It's a lot different to a Kingcycle!! Big smile


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Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 8:53am
Thanks to everyone who helped me off the track yesterday after my little incident and a big thank you to Heather for not running over me when I sprawled myself all over the track in front of her.
The Doc in A&E thinks it's just bruised tendons in my wrists so Ibuprofen and ice packs every now and again, left wrist isn't too bad this morning but the right one is still pretty painful and starting to bruise up nicely, a few other bumps and grazes but nothing to rival Barney's road rash.
 
For anyone who didn't see it I like Fard's description of it on FB  "...was a truly spectacular stack. Imagine riding into a low wall at 20mph, then imagine the same effort required to do that from a recumbent! (and the extra height he acquired)"
 
For anyone thinking of taking up pole-vaulting I wouldn't recommend using a Ratracer SL as your pole, it did propel me into the air quite well but it wasn't very 'controlled'.


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When a ball dreams it dreams it's a frisbee
When a bike dreams it dreams it's a trike


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:08am
Glad to hear you're ok Martin... I couldn't believe the state of your front wheel!! It looked like it had been run over by a bus!!! Dead


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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 12:36pm
hope you and all other riders recover ok here are the photo's sorry no crash photo's , copy any you wish.
Jeff.    http://www.flickr.com/photos/recumbents/" rel="nofollow - http://www.flickr.com/photos/recumbents/


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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 12:51pm
Fantastic pictures Jeff!!

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Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 1:32pm
I think this is what they call 'totally knackered'
 
http://s231.photobucket.com/user/nitramnitram/media/Bike%20photo%20dump/WP_20130929_002_zps24053832.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">


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When a ball dreams it dreams it's a frisbee
When a bike dreams it dreams it's a trike


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 1:34pm
You'll need to tweak a few spokes I think... Wink

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 3:13pm
Can't help thinking these may be at least as useful as elbow guards...
http://www.grinfactor.com/category.php?catid=52" rel="nofollow - http://www.grinfactor.com/category.php?catid=52
 
 


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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 3:20pm
they look usable!

although I'm more tempted by the second from the top t-shirt they sell :D http://www.grinfactor.com/category.php?catid=8


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 3:24pm
Big smile
I think I'm going to order a pair... Well worthwhile to avoid the condition hereafter known as "Barney's Bum"...
 
Big smile


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

Can't help thinking these may be at least as useful as elbow guards...
http://www.grinfactor.com/category.php?catid=52" rel="nofollow - http://www.grinfactor.com/category.php?catid=52
 
 
 
Given my history, I might get a pair of those for next year...
 
Don't dispense with the elbowguards, though.  Bums are thickly padded with muscle.  Elbows have tendons, bones and nerves covered with not very much at all.


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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 3:33pm
Oh no - I'm thinking in addition to the elbow guards... In fact after seeing yesterday's carnage I'm thinking my motorbike leathers might be the best bet for Hillingdon!!! Big smile

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Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

Big smile
I think I'm going to order a pair... Well worthwhile to avoid the condition hereafter known as "Barney's Bum"...
 
Big smile
Yes the double buttock bacon slice hurts A LOT!Dead
 
But believe me the thought of what state my elbow would have been in had I not been wearing pads is scary.  The elbow is badly bruised and grazed from friction within the pads and to say the least its chuffin' sore (and to some extent the hand injury sustained through a glove is also quite touchy) so it does make me wonder about the old proposal that was once floated about elbow pads being compulsory for unfaired / part faired 2 wheelers - why wouldn't you wear them?
 
For those who don't believe in elbow pads they're happy to inspect my very used pair at some point in the future, I'll not be racing without them.
 
On a happier note it was good to hear that Martin's not broken anything.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:14pm
I've ordered a pair... I'll hopefully never try them out... Wink
I'll let you know if they're comfortable to wear and ride in though...
 
 


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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:25pm
Herewith the results of your efforts yesterday. The speeds for the 1-lap and 15-mins races are provisional, not to say wildly wrong, as I don't have a reliable length for the top/short course. If anyone can provide one then I'll fix the speeds in the final version.

Round 1 (1 lap, short course):





Pos Name Bike Name Class Time MPH
1 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 0:51.65 30.8
2 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 0:55.25 28.8
3 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 0:55.38 28.8
4 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 0:55.45 28.7
5 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 0:56.29 28.3
6 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 0:57.29 27.8
7 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 0:57.33 27.8
8 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 0:57.56 27.7
9 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 0:57.70 27.6
10 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 0:58.34 27.3
11 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 0:59.54 26.8
12 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 1:00.38 26.4
13 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 1:00.70 26.2
14 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 1:01.36 26
15 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 1:02.22 25.6
16 Alan Goodman Ratty O/P 1:04.01 24.9
17 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 1:05.38 24.4
18 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 1:06.73 23.9
19 Martin Lucy ratracer sl O/P/U 1:08.76 23.2
20 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 1:11.01 22.4
21 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 1:13.98 21.5
22 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 1:14.36 21.4
23 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 1:16.01 20.9
24 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 1:16.38 20.8
25 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 1:17.01 20.7
26 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 1:17.56 20.5
27 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 1:18.86 20.2
28 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 1:19.76 20
29 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 1:20.41 19.8
30 Barry Edwards Baroga Lounger O/P/U/St/S 1:26.76 18.3
31 Barney Harle Rapto O/P 0:51.65 0
32 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 0:51.65 0

Round 2 (15 mins + 1 lap, short course), Race 1 (slow):
Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 16 16:58.35 25.0
2 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 16 17:50.39 23.8
3 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 14 17:40.80 21.0
4 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 14 18:10.35 20.4
5 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 13 17:11.16 20.1
6 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 13 17:28.22 19.7
7 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 13 17:49.25 19.4
8 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 12 17:06.35 18.6
9 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 12 17:09.22 18.6
10 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 12 17:29.80 18.2
11 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 12 17:39.04 18.0
12 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 11 17:05.59 17.1
13 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 11 17:28.56 16.7
14 Barry Edwards Baroga Lounger O/P/U/St/S 10 17:35.16 15.1
15 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 10 19:12.09 13.8
16 Martin Lucy ratracer sl O/P/U 1 16:58.35 1.56

Round 2, Race 2 (fast):
Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 17 16:37.09 27.2
2 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 17 17:03.76 26.5
3 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 17 17:08.80 26.3
4 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 17 17:27.29 25.9
5 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 16 16:51.75 25.2
6 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 16 17:03.02 24.9
7 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 16 17:11.69 24.7
8 Alan Goodman Ratty O/P 16 17:22.42 24.4
9 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 16 17:28.19 24.3
10 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 16 17:28.44 24.3
11 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 15 16:58.32 23.5
12 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 14 17:07.69 21.7
13 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 13 17:18.81 19.9
14 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 5 16:37.09 8.0
15 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 3 16:37.09 4.8



Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:30pm
Round 3 (45 mins, full course), Race 1 (slow):
Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 23 48:38.90 21.7
2 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 23 49:59.94 21.1
3 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 22 48:38.90 20.8
4 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 20 49:45.00 18.4
5 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 19 49:24.61 17.6
6 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 19 49:42.40 17.5
7 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 19 50:34.63 17.2
8 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 19 50:50.86 17.1
9 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 18 48:42.22 17.0
10 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 18 49:06.22 16.8
11 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 18 50:42.65 16.3
12 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 17 49:35.88 15.7
13 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 17 51:34.19 15.1
14 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 16 51:08.91 14.3

Round 3, Race 2 (fast):
Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH
1 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 24 47:38.59 23.1
2 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 24 48:16.63 22.8
3 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 24 48:43.12 22.6
4 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 24 49:32.72 22.2
5 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 23 49:42.82 21.2
6 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 22 47:48.22 21.1
7 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 22 47:50.02 21.1
8 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 22 48:27.60 20.8
9 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 22 49:21.69 20.5
10 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 22 49:43.94 20.3
11 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 19 47:57.02 18.2
12 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 19 49:03.72 17.8
13 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 5 47:38.59 4.82



Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:44pm
So the results for Round 2, fast and slow combined, are:

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH O P U L Lp St S Mf M J
1 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 17 16:37.09 27.2 1 1 1              
2 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 17 17:03.76 26.5 2 2 2






3 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 17 17:08.80 26.3 3





1

4 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 17 17:27.29 25.9 4

1




1
5 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 16 16:51.75 25.2 5 3 3



2 1
6 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 16 16:58.35 25.0 6





3

7 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 16 17:03.02 24.9 7



1



8 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 16 17:11.69 24.7 8 4




4 2
9 Alan Goodman Ratty O/P 16 17:22.42 24.4 9 5







10 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 16 17:28.19 24.3 10 6 4

2 1


11 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 16 17:28.44 24.3 11 7 5

3 2


12 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 16 17:50.39 23.8 12





5

13 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 15 16:58.32 23.5 13 8




6 3
14 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 14 17:07.69 21.7 14 9 6

4 3


15 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 14 17:40.80 21.0 15

2





16 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 14 18:10.35 20.4 16 10







17 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 13 17:11.16 20.1 17 11 7

5 4


18 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 13 17:18.81 19.9 18 12
3 1




19 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 13 17:28.22 19.7 19 13 8

6 5


20 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 13 17:49.25 19.4 20 14 9

7 6


21 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 12 17:06.35 18.6 21 15 10






22 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 12 17:09.22 18.6 22 16 11 4 2

7 4
23 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 12 17:29.80 18.2 23





8

24 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 12 17:39.04 18.0 24 17
5 3 8 7


25 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 11 17:05.59 17.1 25 18 12 6 4

9 5
26 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 11 17:28.56 16.7 26 19 13



10 6
27 Barry Edwards Baroga Lounger O/P/U/St/S 10 17:35.16 15.1 27 20 14

9 8


28 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 10 19:12.09 13.8 28 21 15 7 5

11 7
29 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 5 16:37.09 8.0 29 22 16



12 8
30 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 3 16:37.09 4.8 30 23




13 9
31 Martin Lucy ratracer sl O/P/U 1 16:58.35 1.56 31 24 17              


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:47pm
And the results for Round 3 (45 mins), fast and slow combined, are:

Pos Name Bike Name Class Laps Time MPH O P U L Lp St S Mf M J
1 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 24 47:38.59 23.1 1             1    
2 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 24 48:16.63 22.8 2

1




1
3 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 24 48:43.12 22.6 3 1 1






4 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 24 49:32.72 22.2 4 2 2



2 1
5 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 23 48:38.90 21.7 5





3

6 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 23 49:42.82 21.2 6 3 3

1 1


7 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 22 47:48.22 21.1 7 4




4 2
8 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 23 49:59.94 21.1 8





5

9 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 22 47:50.02 21.1 9 5




6 3
10 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 22 48:27.60 20.8 10



2



11 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 22 48:38.90 20.8 11 6 4

3 2


12 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 22 49:21.69 20.5 12 7 5






13 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 22 49:43.94 20.3 13 8




7 4
14 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 20 49:45.00 18.4 14 9 6






15 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 19 47:57.02 18.2 15 10 7

4 3


16 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 19 49:03.72 17.8 16 11
2 1




17 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 19 49:24.61 17.6 17

3





18 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 19 49:42.40 17.5 18 12 8

5 4


19 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 19 50:34.63 17.2 19 13







20 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 19 50:50.86 17.1 20 14 9

6 5


21 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 18 48:42.22 17 21 15
4 2 7 6


22 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 18 49:06.22 16.8 22 16 10

8 7


23 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 18 50:42.65 16.3 23





8

24 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 17 49:35.88 15.7 24 17 11 5 3

9 5
25 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 17 51:34.19 15.1 25 18 12 6 4

10 6
26 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 16 51:08.91 14.3 26 19 13



11 7
27 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 5 47:38.59 4.82 27 20 14         12 8  


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:51pm
And finally the overall positions with all rounds combined, weighted 10:30:60:

Pos Name Bike Name Class O P U L Lp St S Mf M J
1 Ian Fardoe Quincy O/Mf 1             1    
2 Howard Yeomans challenge fujin O/P/U 2 1 1






3 Sarah Tweddle Yellow Midget O/L/J 3

1




1
4 John Snook Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 4 2 2



2 1
5 phil wilkinson apollo11 O/Mf 5





3

6 Andrew Sidwell Rattysnake Unfaired O/P/U 6 4 3






7 Dave Goodman Mk6 O/P/U/St/S 7 3 4

2 1


8 Joseph Parker Velodynamics T7 O/St 8



1



9 John Lucian blue wave O/P/Mf/M 9 5




4 2
10 chris featherstone apollo O/Mf 10





5

11 Karl Sparenberg Windy O/P/Mf/M 11 6




6 4
12 Leo McNally Hurricane O/P/U/St/S 12 7 6

3 2


13 Mark Chillery Switchblade O/P/U/St/S 13 8 5

4 3


14 Richard Everett Windcheater O/P/Mf/M 14 9




7 3
15 Jeffrey James cobra O/P/U 15 10 8






16 Anne Coulson Kingcycle O/L 16

3





17 Fiona Grove Velodynamics T8 O/P/L/Lp 17 12
2 1




18 Geoff Bird HPV Heaven T9 O/P/U/St/S 18 11 7

5 4


19 Jon Coulson Toxy O/P 19 13







20 Alan Goodman Ratty O/P 20 15







21 Dave Thomlinson Rowing Bike O/P/U/St/S 21 14 9

6 5


22 Martin Bailey rapide O/P/U/St/S 22 16 10

8 7


23 mattie bennett swebbelli O/Mf 23





8

24 Heather Fortnum Mason King O/P/L/Lp/St/S 24 17
4 2 7 6


25 Judith Griffiths Not Smurf O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 25 18 11 5 3

9 5
26 Nick Marshall Munster O/P/U/Mf/M 26 20 14



12 8
27 Katie Sparenberg Windy Unfaired O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 27 19 12 6 4

10 6
28 Alan Braley Ice Vortex O/P/U/Mf/M 28 21 13



11 7
29 Martin Lucy ratracer sl O/P/U 29 22 16






30 Nikki Sidwell Mason O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M 30 22 15 7 5

13 9
31 Barry Edwards Baroga Lounger O/P/U/St/S 31 24 17

9 8


32 Barney Harle Rapto O/P 32 25                


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 9:52pm
Quibbles?


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 10:00pm
<sigh>
-Noo, no quibbles


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 10:33pm
32 entrants was a very good turnout compared to many events this year! Clap

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 11:03pm
Wow didn't realise I was that slow in the 1 lap.
Didn't gps that one, the cycle computer was showing 54kph over the line so I must have been very slow around those esses.

Tbh I have no objectives to Andrew taking the points overall as he was definitely on for winning the long race as well as the 2nd,
I may have caught him, but I don't think anyone else would have done so I'm happy with that if everyone else is.
I don't come racing to bother about winning :)


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 30 September 2013 at 11:34pm
Congratulations Ian, although you probably weren't on 3 wheels often enough to deserve multitrack points Wink

Strong performances from Sarah Tweddle (especialy in the 1 lap TT, although she was desperate to beat  the pedal car Unhappy), Howard (pending drug tests), John Snoop and Phil Wilkinson. And further evidence that we have yet to find a track short and twisty enough for light weight to trump good aerodynamics (or hilly enough given Slasher's performance at Hog Hill when we used the proper circuit!).


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Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 10:00am
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

I have no objectives to Andrew taking the points overall as he was definitely on for winning the long race as well as the 2nd
Very kind of you but rules is rules: you get the points you win, whether you want them or not! As I've often said, racing is about a lot more than just going fast, it's about everything from getting yourself there in the first place to keeping your bike working when you're there. On Sunday I had a spare wheel ready to swap for the trashed one so I could carry on instead of having to DNF - I've been carrying that wheel about for two years now before it was actually used. So you got to Curborough, you didn't get thrown off by a pothole, and you're bike carried on working to the end - kudos and points are yours Clap.


Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 10:06am
Hello Heather, I have lost my Rab  jacket. Is that the one you have, I wonder?

Excuse directness but I can send you money for time and postage if you were able to send it on.  Im not going to be able to make the last meeting of the season.

MARK


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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer


Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 11:00am

Despite two crashes, I am not really hurt and had a great day. Thanks to all organisers but especially Fiona for sorting my injury out and giving immediate reassurance that a hospital visit or ambulance wont be necessary (I'm such a wuss). My Barney's Bum is nothing like as bad as Barney's, I suspect but looks pretty impressive. Shame it’s not appropriate to show it to more people.

The irony of crashing on the last bend, on the last lap is secondary to the fact that I walked away, given that seat and pedals separated from the wheels. That’s what comes from fettling in haste.

Are elbow pads not already compulsory? My view, albeit as someone not very experienced in these matters, is that elbow injury appears to be potentially serious. It's the inexperienced and newcomers that are least aware of the risks and more likely to come to grief on the track.  Incidentally, I think I saved my bum from a worse fate by resting on my elbow pads, as I slid along the track, contemplating my place in the world.




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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer


Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 11:14am

Slipstreaming a pedal car (thanks Chris) for almost the entire 45min race was great fun and, I assume, gave me a better time than otherwise. I did try to return the favour but didn't have enough in the tank.

I learnt some things about my handlebar rowing system too, largely because I set it up wrong beforehand. (Although I'm less convinced of its overall effectiveness on the flat compared to on hills.)



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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer


Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 1:05pm
Hi Mark
 
If you send me a private message with your address I'll parcel up your jacket and post it off on Friday if that is OK.
 
HeatherF


Posted By: Wyndrake
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 2:32pm
May I add my thanks to the Curborough organisers and indeed to everyone for making it an excellent day. I have two regrets. One, that I sold my broadcast cameras last year, so was unable to record Barney's Technicolour discomforts for MTV and posterity.......

The second, is driven by financial embarrassment = having just spent £156 on a larger mantle shelf to accommodate yet another Lanterne Rouge,
(yes, I hold my own private awards ceremony after each BHPC event!) I discover that I failed to come last overall.

I will try harder to get a return on my investment at Hillingdon.
Confused


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 12:28pm
Last call for quibbles and quiblets on the Curborough results.

The scrolls will be sent off to Kevin this evening for carving in stone, after which any alterations will incur the deduction of more points than could possibly be gained.


Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 1:59pm
I always get a bit confused by the classes but as an unfaired Ratracer SL should I be scoring in the Street and Sport classes as well as O/P/U not that it will make any difference to my end of year position as I haven't done enough races to make any impact

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When a ball dreams it dreams it's a frisbee
When a bike dreams it dreams it's a trike


Posted By: Karl
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 2:14pm
Martin, 
I would have given you all my points from the year if you could have done one more lap on your spectacularly crashed machine... thought you'd hit a land mine!!

Certainly given me food for thought.

Karl
PS PM'd you about idlers 


Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:

Herewith the results of your efforts yesterday. The speeds for the 1-lap and 15-mins races are provisional, not to say wildly wrong, as I don't have a reliable length for the top/short course. If anyone can provide one then I'll fix the speeds in the final version.
 
We have always gone with 600m based on what we measured for the 1000mile ride back in 2002 but I have also heard 608m.


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Racing is life...
Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race....


Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by Karl Karl wrote:

... thought you'd hit a land mine!!

It felt like I had!


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When a ball dreams it dreams it's a frisbee
When a bike dreams it dreams it's a trike


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 8:33pm
Originally posted by Nitram Nitram wrote:

I always get a bit confused by the classes but as an unfaired Ratracer SL should I be scoring in the Street and Sport classes as well as O/P/U not that it will make any difference to my end of year position as I haven't done enough races to make any impact
Hi Martin - you were classed as O/P/U since that was what you were last time you rode the SL. Sports and Street are defined as 'suitable for use on the open road' - most Ratracers don't qualify because they are too low and have too little steering lock. The SL may be different but without one to look at and sit on it's difficult to say. Stick with O/P/U for this season and argue the toss with an organiser next year if you think you've got a case.


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 11:08pm
The Ratracer SL is rather un-Ratracer-like, and a road going machine. The height and riding position are more like a Ratcatcher.I. seem to remember reading that the "SL" stands for "street legal", (not that a classic ratty is in any way not legal for road use, even if not well-suited to that role).

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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 02 October 2013 at 11:18pm
He 

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Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 8:16am
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:


...'suitable for use on the open road' - most Ratracers don't qualify because they are too low.........


iirc the height restriction was taken out several years ago, to suggesting someone ride a bike with min seat height such that they might not reach a good footing at stop is perhaps not good practice.


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 8:48am
I should point out - a point that I have made in the past -  for Street and Sports - it is up to the competitor to argue or state at registration - these are optional classes with more vague rules and not defined.  So it should be at the point of registration - otherwise we get into changing the results for the season at the end of the season!

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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 9:50am
I agree with Kevin entirely...
For future events my opinion would be that the Ratracer SL is certainly in the spirit of Sports/Street class as it was designed for road use...
 
I wouldn't (couldn't safely) ride Ratty on the road...
 


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Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 10:22am
Thanks everyone that clears things up for me a bit, I've no wish to alter any results for this season but will try and remember the info for next year.  Alan I think that picture could be my bike when it was with a previous owner, pre my 'incident'

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When a ball dreams it dreams it's a frisbee
When a bike dreams it dreams it's a trike


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 10:22am
videos from Sunday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzqWp39Njug&feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow - ShortRace (normal speed)
Fiona shouldn't look at that one !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VTrT9QiefOo" rel="nofollow - Long Race (3x speed)


EDIT-- Put links in wrong way around, having conversation at work while doing it !


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 12:06pm
The http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events13/curborough-13.html" rel="nofollow - final results and, possibly more importantly, their effect on the http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events13/tables13.html" rel="nofollow - Championship tables are now available on the website - many thanks Kevin.

Thanks also for reiterating the point about classes. I agree that the SL looks as if it qualifies for Sports and Street so Martin should claim it at his first race next season. The seat-height rule was removed from the definition a year or two ago in favour of a less formal spec which was more in keeping with the spirit of the class, but it's still true that some machines ('standard' Ratracers among them) are too low to be 'suitable for use on the open road'. Rattys fail in numerous other ways too - there's no rear brake, nowhere to put lights, and locking them up outside the shops is virtually impossible.


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 12:39pm
Mine has a rear brake... operated from the same lever as the front one (both drums)... And the brakes on my one actually work!! Cool
I believe this is because it's the machine Mike used for training, presumably on the road...
 
I'm nowhere near daft brave enough to attempt it though... I have enough trouble getting started on a track, so busy road junctions (combined with the huge potholes around here) would not be a good idea!! Dead
 
 


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 1:07pm
The Ratracer "classic" has SA drum brakes front and rear.  All other versions I've ridden have pretty much no brakes at all, which is just as well since applying the one that there is on the front usually seems to result in me falling off.

I rode mine on the road a couple of times.  Height wasn't too much of an issue, since I chose a known circuit of quiet roads, and all the junctions were left-turns.  However, real-world road surfaces - and this was about 8 years ago before all those hard winters and spending cuts - resulted in vibration so severe I could barely see where I was going, and the bike started to fall apart after about 12 miles. 


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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

the bike started to fall apart after about 12 miles. 
Or got 'chilleried' as it is now known after Mark Chillery's experience at Curborough. Perhaps 'curborised' would be a better term since Mark's disintegration was almost certainly caused by the terrible track surface.


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 1:33pm
I used to use the Wyre quite a lot on the road, including in traffic, as it's pretty close to the ratty I'd say they are usable on the road..
Just need to angle it across the lane at about 45 degrees to be able to turn left at traffic lights.

But then people tell me I don't ride in much traffic.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhXnOWcJSU8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhXnOWcJSU8


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 3:09pm
Denise rides hers on the road, didn't she ride it to the Worlds this year?
 
I also used to commute through Bath and Bristol on my Baron X-Low. 
 
Above points are illustrations of use so demonstrating that inclusion of these types of machine should be allowed.


Posted By: markchillery
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 3:26pm

The track was a little rough. But a pin meant to be loctited in wasn't; that’s the main cause and is my fault. Too much rushing this week.

I’m honoured  that my name might be associated with unusual bike failures on the track but, given all the talk about suitability of recumbents for the road, I would have preferred the association to have been for developing a bike (albeit an unreliable one) that addresses that issue directly. Ahem: the Switchblade, developed by me, Mark Chillery. 

But, it could just as easily come to refer to anyone falling off twice at the same meeting.



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Mark Chillery

Occasional Racer


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 3:31pm
Never before in the history of Human Powered Vehicle racing have there been so many worthy candidates for the "Unfortunate Scotsman" trophy at one event! Big smile

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Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 03 October 2013 at 10:58pm
There is a mistake in my vehicle class for Curborough; I am only class O and Mf and not M. I was surprised to see that I am promoted to 3-rd place in the M class, in spite racing with full fairing. Somebody should correct the results.

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John Lucian


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 04 October 2013 at 9:07am
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

Denise rides hers on the road, didn't she ride it to the Worlds this year?
 
I also used to commute through Bath and Bristol on my Baron X-Low. 
 
Above points are illustrations of use so demonstrating that inclusion of these types of machine should be allowed.
or the sports and street classes are so open that they should not exist as covered by others

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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 04 October 2013 at 9:14am
Updated results for John Lucian - now only in O and Mf

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Kevin Jenkins

Windcheetah


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 04 October 2013 at 1:02pm
Hi Folks
are there any photo's of the slow race.
Jeff.


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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 04 October 2013 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by blogwat blogwat wrote:

Hi Folks
are there any photo's of the slow race.

Jeff.


not seen any yet, I think Yanto was taking some.
There were some big cameras knocking about.


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 04 October 2013 at 10:18pm
Thanks Ian.

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when your up to your waist in aligators they forget to tell you you've got to clear the swamp



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