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Topic: 2014 Gravesend, 27th July

Posted By: Andrew S
Subject: 2014 Gravesend, 27th July
Date Posted: 23 June 2014 at 1:39pm

This is the place for comments and discussions about https://www.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208470313952899343599.0004e862dd3b07d07bd59&msa=0&ll=51.418573,0.353966&spn=0.008752,0.022724&iwloc=0004e862dfc8e79f8ebda" rel="nofollow - Round 8 of the 2014 Championship at http://www.cyclopark.com/" rel="nofollow - Gravesend Cyclopark on Sunday 27th July.

There is also a https://www.facebook.com/events/394679924008021/" rel="nofollow - Facebook page for this event.

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Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 26 June 2014 at 2:35am

Is this definately on this year or are we going to be bounced again?

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 26 June 2014 at 9:59am

I was in touch with Cyclopark most recently in May, when they said:

As far as the booking goes it’s all down as per the booking form 10-4pm on the 27^th July so no problems.

so I'm reasonably confident it'll work this time.

We still need volunteers to organise for both Fowlmead and Gravesend. Both circuits are suitable for a long (2-hourish) race, since we don't have Castle Combe this year. Gravesend also has a lot of interesting options for different circuit layouts and we have the entire track booked so any can be used.

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 2:29pm

AS Alan says elsewhere - WE STILL HAVE NOBODY TO ORGANISE THIS EVENT. Volunteers please.

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 5:44pm

I'm sure Mr Nobody will do a cracking job Wink

Bit daunting volunteering to organise at somewhere we haven't been before, we don't even know if parking is ok, what facilities will be available e.g. somewhere to set up laptop to sign on, or any other details for that matter.

As for race formats, i don't know how that can be decided until the track has been assessed, which i guess will take half an hour at least of cycling around all tracks in both directions.

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 6:48pm

Thanks for not volunteering AND putting everyone else off Ian Wink

I'm sure there will be people on hand willing to give advice and assistance.

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 7:05pm

my pleasure, facts are facts, people need facts!

Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 10:28pm

I have never done it, but I will be happy to help with organizing on Sunday.

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 10:29pm

What we know:

There is a room booked for sign-on.
We have the entire road circuit booked. A plan of the layout and the lengths of the six possible circuits (400m to 2.5km) are on the Cyclopark website (link on the http://www.bhpc.org.uk/1events.aspx#Races" rel="nofollow - BHPC website ):

http://www.cyclopark.com/activities-prices/cyclocircuit/" rel="nofollow - http://www.cyclopark.com/activities-prices/cyclocircuit/

From the aerial photo (on the https://www.facebook.com/events/394679924008021/?ref=4" rel="nofollow - Facebook page ) it looks pretty flat.
Most of us will have done a http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=5002&PID=49918&title=2014-fowlmead-26th-july#49918" rel="nofollow - 1½ hr race the day before so anything longer than 45 minutes isn't likely to go down well.

Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 11:12pm

I will be at Fowlmed on Saturday, so we can discuss and sort things out. I will need a lot of help.

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 24 July 2014 at 10:20am

Many thanks John Smile

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As Competition Sec I suppose I am Organiser of Last Resort, otherwise the events that I've booked don't take place and there is no Competition to be Sec of.

While this doesn't mean I'm happy to organise more than my fair share of events (one or two a year) I will help to train others how to do it, with the aim of increasing the pool of organisers for the future.

In this spirit I will supervise Gravesend and help John, and anyone else who wants to, organise the event. There is still time, right up to Sunday morning, for someone else to do it - just say the word.

Since it is in the gift of the Organiser to decide on the programme of races this probably won't be announced until the day. All you know is that racing will start at around 11:00am and there will be 2-3 races each of varying lengths.

Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 24 July 2014 at 10:36pm

I am not sure that you will agree with this, but I would propose that people who come on Saturday to Fowlmead and know they are coming to Gravesend on Sunday, sign on also for the Gravesend race on Saturday. We can prepare a separate sign on sheets and people can pay as well.

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 24 July 2014 at 10:57pm

I think the issue will be having the spreadsheet - As I understand it, they need to be created in sequence as the points tables accumulate, but I suppose it wouldn't stop you taking the money and getting the sign on sheets filled in. By the way Andrew, where can I get the latest pre-filled-in sign on sheets, or even a blank one as a MS document/pdf?

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 25 July 2014 at 10:42am

I've sent you a PM, Geoff.

Signing-on for the weekend sounds like a good time-saver but you would still need to make sure people were entered correctly in the sign-on program. As Geoff says, the program is cumulative so the sign-on for Gravesend can't be done until the results from Fowlmead are entered.

In fact, the list of racers isn't actually deleted when a new race is set up, so the sign-on for Gravesend initially has all the racers from Fowlmead in it. However if you think of all missing people, extra people, changes to bikes, classes, etc it's much more reliable to start with a clean sheet and enter people in afresh. As you know from the post-race quibbling, it's important to get racer's details right, and it's much easier to do this is at sign-on rather than sort out the mess afterwards.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 July 2014 at 7:34pm

I definitely won't be at Fowlmead due to work and a bit of a miscalculation... Speedie's new 451 front wheels are going to need the frame re-positioning in the shell and its currently looking like the new position will mean I can't turn the pedals...
To quote Mr H. Simpson of the Parish of Springfield... "D'oh"

Still not sure about Gravesend yet... Would be really nice to see the new track.

Have fun folks!!

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 27 July 2014 at 7:38pm

Posted some photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/sets/72157645560396150/" rel="nofollow - clicky

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:50am

Results for Gravesend will be posted this evening. My apologies for the interminable delay but

it's a long way home from Kent
it was the final stage of Le Tour (la grande arrivée?) on TV
I'm an idle waster

However to keep you occupied, here's a quiz:

What was the length of the circuit we used for the time-trial circuit?
What was the length of the circuit we used for the main race?

My cycle comp wasn't working because I was using a spare wheel and I forgot to ask anyone else to measure the tracks. Cyclopark give nominal lengths for some of the possible circuits but don't say what they are.

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:55am

I almost forgot: many thanks to John Lucian and Neil Fleming for stepping in and organising splendidly. As a new track there were a lot of unknowns that had to be sorted out on the fly and they did brilliantly to make it a great day.

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 10:52am

Yes, many thanks to John and Neil for a well-organised event.

The new track was a sobering reminder that recumbents aren't so fast when ridden by old men up loooong hills! Embarrassed

Nice photos Dave. I guess you would have taken more of the slow race if I hadn't press-ganged you into timing me instead.

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Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 1:19pm

Andrew,
Time Trial course is 1.15km according to Cyclopark's website.

Posted By: FiSh
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 1:22pm

Thanks to everyone involved in organising, we had a great weekend. The daughters enjoyed the playgrounds along the circuits while I got to ride around on my bike a bit Big smile

Posted By: Karl
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 2:21pm

According to my Strava (yes guilty of using it)

Whole outside of track 1.6miles

Time trial 0.7miles/lap

The bit we used for the 40min race 1.3miles/lap

I could be wrong and would like someone else to verify??

Thank you to all who helped with a thoroughly good weekends racing :-)

Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 2:35pm

Andrew,

My Garmin Recording shows for the long race lap distances between 1.45 to 1.48 miles; it depends on what path I used for the corners. On average the distance was 1.4636. Maybe it will be good if somebody else can also provide a distance to confirm my data.

I forgot to time my time trial, so I have no distance for that, but the Cyclopark site indicate 1.15km.

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John Lucian

Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 8:41pm

Andrew,
from my cycle computer the laps are (averaged):
time trial: 0.71 miles
main race: 1.44 miles

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:06pm

Thanks Neil - we'll go with 1.45 miles for the long circuit, halfway between yours and John's measurement.

So the results for the first race (2-lap time trial) are:

Pos	Name	Nr	Bike Name	Class	Laps	Time	MPH
1	Steve Slade	1	Beano	O	2	2:46.50	30.9
2	Neil Fleming	7	Ratracer Genesis	O/P	2	2:51.53	30
3	Filip Sheridan	85	Zockra HR700	O/P/U	2	3:00.25	28.5
4	John Lucian	86	blue wave	O/Mf	2	3:06.32	27.6
5	David L'Hostis	18	Optima Baron	O/P/U	2	3:09.91	27.1
6	John Williams	149	WAW Velomobile	O/Mf	2	3:17.19	26.1
7	Chris Hamilton	32	Rapto	O/P	2	3:19.02	25.8
8	Stuart Dennison	10	Ratracer	O/P	2	3:21.13	25.5
9	Andrew Sidwell	102	Rattysnake Unfaired	O/P/U	2	3:22.10	25.4
10	Mike Burrows	0	RR ?	O/P	2	3:22.44	25.4
11	Ian Sheen	80	Ratracer Buick	O/P	2	3:27.91	24.7
12	Karl Sparenberg	124	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	2	3:28.02	24.7
13	Leo McNally	74	Naked D6	O/P/U	2	3:31.28	24.3
14	Sam Relton	8	Crusader	O	2	3:32.53	24.2
15	Geoff Bird	150	HPV Heaven T7	O/St	2	3:35.08	23.9
16	Shawn Ballantine	59	Kingcycle	O	2	3:35.41	23.8
17	Richard Everett	65	Windcheetah	O/P/Mf/M	2	3:41.19	23.2
18	Gerry Charlwood	137	recartar	O/P	2	3:42.47	23.1
19	Fiona Grove	34	Velodynamics T8	O/P/L/Lp	2	3:59.80	21.4
20	Minoru Mitsumoto	30	Kingcycle	O/P/St/S	2	4:08.30	20.7
21	Rick Opie	21	Vision R40	O/P/U/St/S	2	4:20.32	19.7
22	Heather Fortnum	104	Mason King	O/P/L/Lp/St/S	2	4:44.39	18.1
23	Katie Sparenberg	76	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	2	5:05.98	16.8
24	Jaycee Koh	50	Speedy	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	2	5:38.07	15.2
25	Andy Forey	112	festina	O/P/U	1	5:39.00	7.59

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:11pm

...and the results for the second race (40 mins + 1 lap) are:

Round 2 Race 1
Pos	Name	Nr	Bike Name	Class	Laps	Time	MPH
1	Chris Hamilton	32	Rapto	O/P	11	44:45.40	21.3
2	Ian Sheen	80	Ratracer Buick	O/P	11	45:45.15	20.9
3	Leo McNally	74	Naked D6	O/P/U	11	46:50.33	20.4
4	Shawn Ballantine	59	Kingcycle	O	11	48:17.69	19.8
5	Gerry Charlwood	137	recartar	O/P	11	48:19.17	19.8
6	Geoff Bird	150	HPV Heaven T7	O/St	11	48:53.11	19.5
7	Minoru Mitsumoto	30	Kingcycle	O/P/St/S	10	46:06.41	18.8
8	Fiona Grove	34	Velodynamics T8	O/P/L/Lp	10	49:29.69	17.5
9	Rick Opie	21	Vision R40	O/P/U/St/S	9	48:27.11	16.1
10	Heather Fortnum	104	Mason King	O/P/L/Lp/St/S	8	45:38.33	15.2
11	Katie Sparenberg	76	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	8	49:12.38	14.1

and

Round 2 Race 2
Pos	Name	Nr	Bike Name	Class	Laps	Time	MPH
1	Steve Slade	1	Beano	O	14	45:10.41	26.9
2	Neil Fleming	7	Ratracer Genesis	O/P	13	45:23.80	24.9
3	Filip Sheridan	85	Zockra HR700	O/P/U	13	46:33.88	24.2
4	Andrew Sidwell	102	Rattysnake Unfaired	O/P/U	13	46:42.15	24.2
5	Stuart Dennison	10	Ratracer	O/P	13	46:57.50	24.0
6	David L'Hostis	18	Optima Baron	O/P/U	12	45:59.15	22.7
7	John Williams	149	WAW Velomobile	O/Mf	12	48:38.04	21.4
8	John Lucian	86	blue wave	O/Mf	12	48:46.32	21.4
9	Karl Sparenberg	124	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	11	46:50.04	20.4
10	Andy Forey	112	festina	O/P/U	11	47:04.94	20.3
11	Richard Everett	65	Windcheetah	O/P/Mf/M	11	47:13.76	20.2
12	Mike Burrows	0	RR ?	O/P	6	45:10.41	11.5

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:16pm

Which if they're right (and who's to say they're not??) makes the overall results for the day:

Final Results composed by using Average Points 30:70
Pos	Name	Bike Name	Class	O	P	U	L	Lp	St	S	Mf	M
1	Steve Slade	Beano	O	1
2	Neil Fleming	Ratracer Genesis	O/P	2	1
3	Filip Sheridan	Zockra HR700	O/P/U	3	2	1
4	Andrew Sidwell	Rattysnake Unfaired	O/P/U	4	3	2
5	David L'Hostis	Optima Baron	O/P/U	5	5	3
6	Stuart Dennison	Ratracer	O/P	6	4
7	John Lucian	blue wave	O/Mf	7							2
8	John Williams	WAW Velomobile	O/Mf	8							1
9	Chris Hamilton	Rapto	O/P	9	6
10	Ian Sheen	Ratracer Buick	O/P	10	7
11	Karl Sparenberg	Windy	O/P/Mf/M	11	8						3	1
12	Leo McNally	Naked D6	O/P/U	12	9	4
13	Richard Everett	Windcheetah	O/P/Mf/M	13	10						4	2
14	Shawn Ballantine	Kingcycle	O	14
15	Andy Forey	festina	O/P/U	15	11	6
16	Geoff Bird	HPV Heaven T7	O/St	16					1
17	Gerry Charlwood	recartar	O/P	17	12
18	Mike Burrows	RR ?	O/P	18	13
19	Minoru Mitsumoto	Kingcycle	O/P/St/S	19	14				2	1
20	Fiona Grove	Velodynamics T8	O/P/L/Lp	20	15		1	1
21	Rick Opie	Vision R40	O/P/U/St/S	21	16	5			3	2
22	Heather Fortnum	Mason King	O/P/L/Lp/St/S	22	17		2	2	4	3
23	Katie Sparenberg	Windy Too	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	23	18	7	3	3			5	3
24	Sam Relton	Crusader	O	24
25	Jaycee Koh	Speedy	O/P/U/L/Lp/Mf/M	25	19	8	4	4			6	4

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 9:20pm

NB: The only change I've made from the original sign-on sheets and results is to make Andy Forey O/P/U instead of O/P/U/St/S. I'm pretty sure Andy's Festina is too low for Sports class, but if anyone wants to quibble....?

Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 10:41pm

Neil F wrote:

Andrew,
from my cycle computer the laps are (averaged):
time trial: 0.71 miles
main race: 1.44 miles

Yes, your laps should be shorter as you cut the corners. I took the fast tight corners very wide. Looking at the front tires today, I realised that I grind them half way. Just happy that the race at Gravesend did not last longer.

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 8:49am

Andy's "Festina" looked like the Velodynamics T8 to me. I've been away too long...

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 9:13am

johnlucian wrote:

Looking at the front tires today, I realised that I grind them half way. Just happy that the race at Gravesend did not last longer.

How about a tilting faired trike as a winter project? You could have Mft class all to yourself.

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 9:21am

legs_larry wrote:

Andy's "Festina" looked like the Velodynamics T8 to me. I've been away too long...

Hmm... not sure about that but it's almost certainly (a) not a Festina ( https://flic.kr/p/ouaP2W" rel="nofollow - https://flic.kr/p/ouaP2W ) and (b) not what he was riding at Fowlmead.

Fess up Andy - tell us what you were riding at Fowlmead and Gravesend and I'll get your classes right.

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 10:36am

Andy had a puncture during the race at Fowlmead and switched to Fiona's bike. At Gravesend, the same tyre went down again, so he started the 40 min race on Fiona's bike. I think he did the TT on his own bike, but I'm not sure. As Fiona's bike has a tail-fairing, he shouldn't get unfaired points.

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 10:43am

Why is Larrington always right about everything?? What's more, in 10 years time you could ask him what bike Andy was riding at Gravesend in 2014 and he'd still be right.

Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 5:30pm

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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 10:55am

Andrew S wrote:

Why is Larrington always right about everything??

Clue: he has a beard and wears sandals...

Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 11:07am

Are you suggesting Nick that it has been deemed that the purpose of The Second Coming is to enlighten the world to the benefits of recumbent cycles?! Shocked

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 11:27am

NickM wrote:

Andrew S wrote:

Why is Larrington always right about everything??

Clue: he has a beard and wears sandals...

GIT!!!1!!1! Big smile

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 12:24pm

NickM wrote:

Clue: he has a beard and wears sandals...

So that's why it says 'Devine' (sp?) underneath his Badger-Badger-Badger icon.

Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 8:47pm

The http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events14/gravesend-14.html" rel="nofollow - final results for Gravesend and the updated http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/archive/events/events14/tables14.html" rel="nofollow - Championship Tables are now available on the website.