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Topic: velomobile assault
Posted By: nicktulloh
Subject: velomobile assault
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 9:11am
I've been getting up early to go out in the Quest while avoiding Oxford traffic. The roads around here resemble those in a third world country and dodging potholes in heavy traffic is not my idea of fun.
This morning at about 0650 I was riding east on Cowley Rd and saw four youths, late teens or early twenties, on the other side of the street walking west and clowning about. They didn't appear significantly drunk, if at all. I thought "I'm glad they're on the other side". As I drew abeam them, one ran across the street with a doubled up heavy leather belt in his hand and took a swing at my head. He barely made contact with the right side of my head.



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Posted By: nicktulloh
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 4:04pm
I just got back from the Cowley Police Station. The incident occurred a couple of blocks west of that station and I considered riding straight there. It's a good thing I didn't because the Station is closed to public access (seriously?). I then rode down to the central Oxford Police Station and had a discussion with the desk sergeant about the incident. He explained a few things - one being that I am under no obligation to retreat. I am not allowed to pursue if the incident is functionally over. Any response on my part has to be proportionate. Dialing 999 would probably not have helped because it happened at shift change (0700). Mid-level violence like this is unusual where I've lived for the last 15 years because the target of the violence is quite likely to be armed. Then again, the police stations there are open to the public (again - wtf?).

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Posted By: melle
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 7:39pm
So sorry to hear that, but I'm afraid you running in to them was a matter of bad luck, there's dickheads everywhere unfortunately. Not sure what I would have done.

Call Tory HQ, they'll be happy to explain why police stations are closed most of the time (if they haven't been closed down completely). They can probably explain the potholes too! (Sorry for a rant from another baffled immigrant...)


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Posted By: melle
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 8:18pm
PS: I didn't mean to say the world is full of dickheads, I meant that you might run in to the odd dickhead wherever you go.


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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 9:01pm
Nick

I'm really sorry that happened to you - hopefully it's a very isolated incident. I suspect that you'll feel shaken by it for some time to come.

I'm always very very careful around groups of young lads when I'm on a bike - I make sure I give them as wide a berth as a can (which you were doing). You can replay it over and over in your head, but as you say jumping out and starting a fight when there's 4 of them wouldn't have ended well.

All encounters that I have had with the police in the last 20 years have been equally as frustrating and pointless FWIW.

It's an interesting point you make on the likelihood of someone in the US being armed preventing mid-level violence. I'd still rather be in a country without guns however!

There are dickheads everywhere though...


Posted By: nicktulloh
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 7:44am
Hey Russell,

I don't really get shaken so I'm ok on that count. I'd bet the one guy that hit me wouldn't have done it without his mates (one - to back him up, two- to show off to). If he had, he'd be looking for his teeth.

I'm with you on the guns issue. I had a collection and used them for competition and hunting. It's a hands down excellent trade off not being able to own them here versus the risks of a firearm-related death. 

I went out for a really nice ride this morning, as I do most days. The incident isn't going to change anything for me except that I'll probably toss my walking stick in the Quest.

It does color my already tarnished opinion of Oxford, though. Hopefully Derby will be an improvement.





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Posted By: flyinerin
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 9:39am
Sorry to read of the assault Nick, that must have been extremely unpleasant. Glad it hasn't put you off getting out in the quest.

It does make me wonder if this type of incident is an English phenomenon or something that can happen anywhere.

I commute to work most days in the milan. Whilst most folks are politely curious, almost everyday I get someone making a rude gesture at me. I'm law abiding and always do my best to give drivers room to overtake yet still they gesticulate.

I've cycled in Europe a few times and never experienced the same level of abuse.


Posted By: MeamoFan
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 10:43am
I was at the The Cycle show at Alexandra palace a few weeks ago (all very diamond framed focused). The Met police were there warning of the dangers of Lorry (Truck) visibility. When I spoke to them I was practically told off for not having a camera and recording my rides. I was then told exactly how to upload the footage. I think cameras are the new policing strategy.


Posted By: melle
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 10:51am
That's victim blaming surely, but cyclists recording misbehaving motorists is a cheaper "solution" than safe cycle paths and more bobbies I suppose.


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Posted By: MeamoFan
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 11:42am
It does sound like victim blaming, I’m also conscious that I don’t feel I want to record everybody I see on my cycle ride. Most of the routes I cycle are away from traffic and pointing a camera in another on coming cyclists face feels a bit confrontational to me.

On the other hand, the idea of some arrogant motorist in a massive SUV getting an £1800 fine and four points on their license for not leaving a reasonable gap feels quite pleasing. See BBC

My sympathies go out to the original poster, I remember the comments I used to get just for having the audacity to ride a Brompton. Once from a Mum to her about 5 year old son!


Posted By: nicktulloh
Date Posted: 09 May 2023 at 4:43pm
Every other interaction I've had here in Oxford has been positive. I can't think of one even slightly negative.

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Posted By: atlas_shrugged
Date Posted: 09 May 2023 at 7:29pm
Nick

Very sorry to hear of this encounter with these scumbags. I know Oxford quite well.

You handled this correctly. Cowley Road has these feral vermin - probably the same ones that were molesting young women on the top deck of a double decker bus. But I digress.

First off if you would like things taken further then the police are 100% useless and will do nothing to help you. If you want to do something yourself then Cowley Road is flooded with CCTV cameras. You can get access to these via something called a 'subject access request' under the 'data protection act' this for the purpose of 'investigating a crime' for any that are helpful it is reasonable to pay a small admin fee (£10) but only if they give you the footage or a jpeg. On Cowley Road for example there is a camera outside Banardos, and outside the public loos up on a lamp post. Even the Cowley Road police station might have cameras pointing at the road. Knowing exactly where the incident took place then use google maps to find the nearest camera.

I am also sympathetic with your view on Oxford potholes. I was heading towards the Plain roundabout early one morning in my velomobile and drove over some rough road around a drain cover that was so bad it shook the chain off my front chain-ring. At this point I was coasting to the UKs 2nd most dangerous roundabout for cyclists with no means of propulsion and it was still dark. Fortunately the pavement is near flush there and I was able to mount the pavement and stop for repairs. There were no more incidents to Apsley Guise in Milton Keynes.

On a crime prevention note I am aware of South African drivers who mount flame throwers to their cars - which are needed at traffic lights. The US approach can reduce some forms of crime. I would like to see a tracker dart being universal, then restorative justice can be made at a more convenient time - but then Karen disapproves of this cos she is a bit of a liberal.

You take care and I apologise about the scumbags and useless police in my country.





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