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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 2:40pm
I can't get my hands on the floor... I've probably got short arms as well as short legs...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 2:42pm
Hi Alan,

I don't consider you to be a cheat, nor the girls, even if they're much lower than 105cm. It would be silly to say that they are supposed to compete with the low-racers.

At the moment, I believe everyone racing in sports is doing so in the spirit of what was intended. I'd really just like to see the regs reflect what we're doing and for there to be a slightly better way of determining what sports class is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 3:14pm

I'd be happy with any rule that was clear, even if it ruled me out...

I won't be competing in Sports Class on the Hurricane again until things have been clarified.

Hopefully everybody should be happy with that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 5:31pm
The problem with fixed rules is that we the riders are of all shapes and sizes which means there is no physical measurement that is going to be universally appropriate.
We could work it in the manner of the roadies and have performance related system based on position over a number of races but this will involve rather more work than the current system.
I would be inclined to stay much as we are with some extra guidelines as proposed by Dave and somebody in a position to make a final decision should there be any contention. I am happy to do that since I am not in the sports class and hence have no bias.
On that ground I see no reason why Alan shouldn't compete as sports class.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 6:53pm
When I saw David's original post, I knew this was going to be fun!
If I hadn't had trouble logging on, I'd have chipped in sooner...

Alan - I would not be happy if you stop racing your Hurricane because of this discussion. David's point is simply that the rules are unclear and could do with firming up, and not an immediate call for change. Any change should be thoroughly debated and fully agreed before being implemented.
I think we've had some interesting ideas here - I particularly like the idea of dropping the eye height rule in favour of a rule which would take the rider's size into account, such as inability to touch the ground (no measurement necessary), and a steering lock rule could be good too.
Rules should be simple and few and we should stipulate that a budding sports competitor should meet say three out of four requirements to qualify.
I'd like to see this debate continue and any proposals voted on at the AGM.
Meantime, let's carry on as we started this season, imperfect as it may be.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 7:14pm

A similar problem arose with my old SpeedMachine. Dave (legs) Larrington successfully rode it to Sports class honours so a Sports bike - well it is if your 7'10" like Dave but for someone of less hurculean physique .... Too short.

Now bikes like the Huricane and the SpeedMachine are clearly marginal machines and whether they are strictly speeking in or out will depend on the rider and the seat positioning.

As I don't ride sports I don't really have a say but how about this: for the remainder of the year the Huricane riders ride with the seat in the most upright position (even playing field?) and then suggest definative rulings at the AGM.

Thoughts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 7:56pm

I aint 'alf glad I ruled myself out of S/C at the
   
start of the season

As for putting the Hurri seats in their most upright
position; mine and Alan's are short versions, which
makes moving the seat impossible. The front of the
seat fouls the frame.

   Perhaps as we're twins, if Alan rode on my shoulders
   at least HIS eyes would be over 105 cm
    
I want to give peace, love and kisses out to this whole stinking world!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2005 at 8:26pm
And I'd be faster...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2005 at 9:21am

Originally posted by davidhembrow davidhembrow wrote:

 o no aerodynamic wheel discs
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Mike broke the wheel discs "rule" etc.

As did I at the start of the 2001 season, but I took 'em off because they were way too scary on the Speedmachine.  I did, however, use them on the Kingcycle for years and never felt them to be a promble.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2005 at 11:10am

Here’s my solution to the eye height troublem: let’s stipulate that the minimum eye height is a proportion (I propose 60%) of the standing height.

This means that for an average bloke who’s 175 cm tall, the minimum eye height is 0.6 X 175 = 105 cm.

For a lanky chap of 185 cm, eye height would have to be more than 111 cm, and if you’re a compact 165cm, a mere 99 cm would suffice.

To those who say “We don’t want the hassle of measuring everyone’s height” I say “When did you last use a tape measure at a race meeting?”; in other words, we aren’t enforcing the present rule anyway (thank goodness!).

Enforcement will only be necessary if there’s some dissent in the ranks – and because in terms of limb length we are all similarly proportioned, we could take the easier step of measuring the arm span from mid line (the intraclavicular notch) to the tip of the middle finger, which conveniently is about half the standing height, and multiplying by 1.2.

I know there are some who will say that this is too complicated (for people who can engineer bicycles?) or that it’s unfair to orang-utangs but I say that it is much fairer and better-defined than the admittedly simpler, but practically untidy, 105 cm “moveable feast”.

It will obviate any argument about seat height or angle and can simply be substituted for the present eye height rule.

It is fair to both smaller and larger riders, and I commend it to the house.

 

Yours in proportion, Neil

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