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Hi All, thanks for all the very useful info. Based on that i took saw to metal yesterday and went with a 1050 wheelbase. The Kingcycle had always been the basis. I think I'll see how this one works before i start on an MBB....

Now thought has move on to handle bars/steering, USS looks like it should be good and comfortable. Kingcycle, what I believe is called Superman is obviously popular but I'm not so keen on the look, and my wife, a keen cyclist, but is rather dubious of the whole recumbent thing says the superman bars are a step to far. Tiller may well be the answer if i cant get USS to work with what bits i have floating around in the shed.

Now i just need to give the welder a call, once thats done I'll try and post picture.

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Kingcycle is a very good starting point!! Great bikes and still more of them than anything else at most of our events. Fast enough, stable and relatively easy to ride.
A lot of it is personal preference but I’ve never been a huge fan of under seat steering. Overseat steering is a lot more popular and I think with good reason.
Kingcycle type bars will be the easiest to use. A tiller is a little more tricky but they are all doable.

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I love the USS on my touring bike - having your arms in a properly neutral position is excellent if you're going to be riding for hours on end.  They can be a bit of a compromise as far as hand controls go (twist shifters are horrid, bar ends work well, but occupy the best place to mount mirrors), they don't really leave you anywhere sensible for GPS type things and on a bicycle are vulnerable if it tips over.

Tiller steering is more aero, makes the bike more compact, is easy to mount gadgets on and probably easier to get the hang of than USS.  Depending on how laid back you are, getting a really good wrist angle in the space available between thighs and boobs/aerobelly can be tricky.

Never saw the point in the whole superman / open cockpit thing, other than mechanical simplicity and plenty of room to mount Stuff.  Seems to be the worst of both worlds.  I suppose the learning curve is easier, though.
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Hi Kim. I always thought that the superman/open cockpit is relates very easily to an upwrong bikes steering so it comes more naturally as most people already know how to ride one.

Could you send me a spare transponder tag for me to send to Daniel Fenn please?
I'm having a senior moment, I just need to measure one of mine.Embarrassed
Thanks.
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Originally posted by RoyMacdonald RoyMacdonald wrote:

Hi Kim. I always thought that the superman/open cockpit is relates very easily to an upwrong bikes steering so it comes more naturally as most people already know how to ride one.

Seems likely.  I recently realised that having gone straight from upwrongs to a USS bike, and having enough low-racer experience that I can probably balance most recumbents without too much drama (Disclaimer: Not tried a MBB bike yet), I don't get to have an opinion on what's easy to learn any more.

(I'd remarked that the Bike-E was easy to ride, to which I was told "easy for you maybe".  I genuinely thought it felt like an upwrong, but of course I can't un-learn knowing to balance with the steering rather than my bodywieght.)


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I'm having a senior moment, I just need to measure one of mine.Embarrassed

Not sure what the context is for this, but since I've got a roll of shiny new flat ones and a ruler within arm's reach... 27mm high x 97mm wide.

If you still need an actual tag, that's fine - though I don't have access to the equipment to write a number to it.
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Originally posted by Kim Kim wrote:

Originally posted by RoyMacdonald RoyMacdonald wrote:

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Could you send me a spare transponder tag for me to send to Daniel Fenn please?
I'm having a senior moment, I just need to measure one of mine.Embarrassed

Not sure what the context is for this, but since I've got a roll of shiny new flat ones and a ruler within arm's reach... 27mm high x 97mm wide.

If you still need an actual tag, that's fine - though I don't have access to the equipment to write a number to it.

Just that we've been having a debate on where to mount a transponder on a carbon fiber fairing and for it still to work. I've suggested that it could go onto the wheel access panel on the After 7 as the ideal position if they were made of fiberglass

All the best.
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Probably best to tag the helmet rather than the bike. Swapping of bikes at tracks otherwise causes a bit of confusion. I guess helmets sometimes get swapped but it is probably more rare.
On an unrelated point I did wonder about tagging both the bike and helmet for when parking a bike in a rail station cycle store. It would be a good way to nab bike thieves. Then the automatic rotating knives can get to work.
 
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Originally posted by atlas_shrugged atlas_shrugged wrote:

Probably best to tag the helmet rather than the bike. Swapping of bikes at tracks otherwise causes a bit of confusion. I guess helmets sometimes get swapped but it is probably more rare.
On an unrelated point I did wonder about tagging both the bike and helmet for when parking a bike in a rail station cycle store. It would be a good way to nab bike thieves. Then the automatic rotating knives can get to work.
 

All very well Brian but the adhesive on the tags reacts with some helmets as I found out on my first tagged helmet. I realised something was happening to the helmet and removed it after the meeting but it still bears the scars to this day, and it was a £200 helmet! Also one of my helmets is all carbon fiber so the tags would not work on it anyway. At the World Championships I swap helmets for the 3 hour race because I find my time trial helmet too heavy for that length of time. As riders fill out the race form themselves and declare their bike it seems less likely that there will be confusion about the bike, and the finish of every race is videoed so even less reason for confusion.  
All the best.
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Originally posted by atlas_shrugged atlas_shrugged wrote:

On an unrelated point I did wonder about tagging both the bike and helmet for when parking a bike in a rail station cycle store. It would be a good way to nab bike thieves. Then the automatic rotating knives can get to work.

The CrossMgr automatic rotating knives feature can't be used until it's been upgraded to fully recognise BHPC classes.  In its current state, it's possible for low machines to sneak through below the level of the rotating knives, and we're seeing all sorts of weird (and messy) problems with multi-track...


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Well I got the welding done just in time it would seem. With enforced break from work I may have some time get it rideable, assuming I have enough spare parts....

I wanted to upload a picture but I'm not sure how, I don't think it helps that I only use an IPad.
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