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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2006 at 11:41am
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

Antony wrote "Blimey, it seems I've agreed with Geoff."

Careful, Antony, it's getting a dangerously regular occurrence.


Sorry, I'll try to avoid it in future.


Originally posted by KevinJ KevinJ wrote:

It does not seem unresasonable to me that a person selects one (class), in each of (the machine- and rider-specific groups of classes) that they wish to complete in and that is selected at registration time.  That way super fit lady arm cyclist on a sports bike doesn't win ALL the classes.  this would make it fairer.
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It would mean a more diverse group of people winning prizes but would mean more people in the class really competing against each other.


If a super fit junior lady arm cyclist on a sports trike wins a race outright, in what way is it fair that she should not take maximum points and silver (plastic?) -ware in open, sports, female, junior, multitrack and arm-powered classes?

She has beaten everyone else in each of those classes; giving maximum points to a runner-up because Ms X has already won one class seems a bit daft.

Having to specify your sole class at registration (when at least some people will not know who, if anyone, else will be in that class) would actually reduce the numbers in every class by removing the overlaps. You could also inadvertently take a "win" by being the last, e.g., multitrack, if the other half dozen multitracks at the race had chosen to race for different classes (either before or after you registered).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2006 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

Kudos to gNick for trying to get his head round it...
 
Given that I am currently the Competition Secretary and have been for a number of years I really ought to understand them! The difficulty is putting them in a clear enough way so that you don't have to be unhinged to understand them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2006 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by gNick gNick wrote:

The Specific classes are ones for a particular subset of machines, so Sports and Multitrack can be from Unfaired and Partially faired; Multitrack from Unfaired and Partially faired, Velomobile and Street are a subset of Faired and Armpowered is a subset of Open.
My regards to gNick too for sorting this out (and keeping ON TOPIC Wink) . It's starting to look quite plausible, and handles the issue of 'people' (columns) vs 'machines' (rows) classes.

I'm not clear about what defines Specific classes though. Are they a third dimension (layers), like a Rubik's cube, so there's e.g. a junior/faired/multitrack class, a ladies/faired/multitrack class, etc? Or do they stretch across rows and/or columns? If the latter, is there any a priori logic or is it determined by numbers?

I don't personally see a problem with classes with only one or two (or even no) people in. In the end classes are just a way of tabulating the results. It's not as if we give away Big Cash Prizes, and we don't even have to have tatty ornaments for all classes. It's a self-sustaining system: large classes will attract more kudos, tiny classes will tend to be ignored. They don't cost anything so we may as well have them, if it means having a logical system and stops the perennial 'Why isn't there a ... class?' questions.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2006 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by Andrew S Andrew S wrote:


I'm not clear about what defines Specific classes though. Are they a third dimension (layers), like a Rubik's cube, so there's e.g. a junior/faired/multitrack class, a ladies/faired/multitrack class, etc? Or do they stretch across rows and/or columns? If the latter, is there any a priori logic or is it determined by numbers?



Currently the Specific classes are solely machine based, so can (and do) stretch across all 3 columns (all the Juniors are also Sports class for example), and they can cover two rows - Sports and Multitrack both allow tailfairings which means they can be Unfaired or Partially Faired.

Going back to the table idea the Specific classes  can be visualised as flat ellipses, encompassing all 3 columns and part of one or two rows. I'll do a picture when I run out of excuses for not doing one!

One question, probably for Alan, was it decided to have multitracks in Sports or, since Multitrack is effectively a Sports class in its own right are they separate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2006 at 10:41pm
I think we decided that as long as Multitracks fall within all the Sports Class rules then they should be allowed in. I certainly think they should as they are practical road-going machines...
 
I think seat height might be a problem for many of them though...

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