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    Posted: 20 April 2009 at 3:53pm
Drilling back through the race results for the club (at least to 200), it seems that the race formats are primarily the longer duration type.  Do you guys ever run events to set 200m, 1km or one hour records/marks or that generally only happens at the worlds (or maybe not even there either)?
 
With the UK being the home of the Windcheetah and the ICE machines I was looking to see if there were any standing trike/multitrack records that could be considered marks for a WRRA record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2009 at 4:01pm
the worlds results are at http://www.wc2008.org.uk/res.htm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2009 at 8:02pm
Though I can't say no such thing exists, I don't recall having seen a multitrack class at an HPV event outside the UK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2009 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

Though I can't say no such thing exists, I don't recall having seen a multitrack class at an HPV event outside the UK.

I've participated in them at a few European locations...
certainly more than once at Lelystadt and, I believe, Freidrichshaven.
As I have mentioned previously biggest surprise the first time round was to discover that a that multi-track included faired quests.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 1:28pm

It seems that multitrack racing, and I mean stock trikes, is at a minimum in the UK.  It would be nice if all the big governing organizations got together and decided on some basic class name and definitions.  It'd make things easier, but I prefer "multitrack" to "trike".  I guess as more racers in each class show up, multitrack can be subdivided into velos and stock or superstock trikes instead of confusingly lumping them all together.  I have been to a few races where they required a minimum of 5 racers to establish their own class, do you guys do that for BHPC races too?  That might encourage more peopel on a stock triek to race if they know they don't have to compete with a Quest, etc.

Over here in the colonies, up here, there are more trikes than 2 wheelers, so they get/got raced at every event.  In the HPRA series, most of the racers seemed to gravitate toward 2 wheelers, but in the last couple years, there are more and more trike racers and every event has trike specific races now.  Velomobiles are still few and far between and they race either as a streamliner (if the rider's head is enclosed) or as superstreet if the head is exposed.  The race format seems to gravitate toward the smaller races too.  Maybe shorter individual races makes more variety and interest and makes the effort of going to a race more attractive?  It seems there are more 200m, 1km and shorter lap races, plus they all try to make them 2 day events to maximize racing for the effort of having to drive a few hundred km to go compete.  It's an aspect I particularly appreciate.
 
The Aussies/Kiwis have a long history of trike racing, but it seems to be less so with stock trikes and predominantly faired trikes.  It's interesting how the bent demographics develop and are seemingly so different from one country or region to the next. 
 
Thanks for the link Neil.  I was looking for best efforts from the MT racers for some info gathering for WRRA recognition.  I found a couple Dutch results (from a dude on an '06 Speed) that better the times set by Chris Burkhart from the US.  Officially grouping MT races might encourage more participation and hopefully before too long, it too can be split into stock, faired, etc.
 
Are there many pedal car racers that race in bent events?  Do they get their fill from their own race series so they have little time or desire to race at other events against trikes?  Can the better designed ones be competitive with trikes?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by 25hz 25hz wrote:

It seems that multitrack racing, and I mean stock trikes, is at a minimum in the UK.  It would be nice if all the big governing organizations got together and decided on some basic class name and definitions.  It'd make things easier, but I prefer "multitrack" to "trike".  I guess as more racers in each class show up, multitrack can be subdivided into velos and stock or superstock trikes instead of confusingly lumping them all together.  I have been to a few races where they required a minimum of 5 racers to establish their own class, do you guys do that for BHPC races too?  That might encourage more peopel on a stock triek to race if they know they don't have to compete with a Quest, etc.

 
This opens a complete bag of worms as far as I and a number of others are concerned.
 
 
Originally posted by 25hz 25hz wrote:

Are there many pedal car racers that race in bent events?  Do they get their fill from their own race series so they have little time or desire to race at other events against trikes?  Can the better designed ones be competitive with trikes?

Not as many as there should be - there have been many occasions in the past where pedal car racers have raced in the BHPC but there have in the past been problems with events being on the same date as well as issues with the BHPC class system.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by 25hz 25hz wrote:

Can the better designed ones be competitive with trikes?

 
Yes. Although it rather depends on the squashy bit inside the fairing as well Wink .
 
Designing a machine that carries 1 rider for 1 hour on an open circuit is a different prospect to desiging a machine that has to cope with 6 different sized riders for 24 hours on a go-kart track of course.
 
Last time I raced a BHPC event - Shrewsbury 2007 - the pedal cars  finished sort of in the middle in the overall results.
 
But Neil has a 4 wheeled HPV ("Quadliner") that isn't IPCS compliant because the fairing is (or was last I saw it) more than 2030mm long which should therefore be able to give the faired trikes a much better run for their money.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by jes@gcre jes@gcre wrote:



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But Neil has a 4 wheeled HPV ("Quadliner") that isn't IPCS compliant because the fairing is (or was last I saw it) more than 2030mm long which should therefore be able to give the faired trikes a much better run for their money.
 
 


Oooh, sounds cool. You got any pictures, Neil ? Coming to any of the BHPC events with it ? Would want to see that !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 5:35pm
It raced at darley more a couple of years back - but with the old chassis - unfortunately we had also been playing with an idea with the bearings and so whilst fast in practice - ended up with the back axles with lots of drag.
 
 
At some point I may fit it to the new chassis which runs with much less friction  but at the moment I have no intention of bringing it to a BHPC race.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2009 at 7:38pm
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That fairing is awesome - have you/does anyone have the molds, and could I get one made up ? That looks so much better than mine is likely to be that it's just not fair Clap
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